2014 Apple Juice group buy?

[molc]

Yeah I've done my group buy organising for the year, so was blindly hoping someone else could carry me along for once

[Shanna]

I've sent a tweet to Conn Traas, to see if he even has any juice available, but as I am not looking for juice, I won't be taking it any further after that. Personally, I don't think this group buy is going to happen, as no-one seems to want to co-ordinate it, which is understandable considering the amounts involved, but hopefully I am prooved wrong. Buying the juice is probably the easy part, as distribution to a tight schedule will be the real challenge. It might be more feasible to break it down by club, and do it that way with one or two members co-coordinating for each club. If people are just hoping to put there names down on a list, pay their money, and get juice delivered to them, then it's not going to work.

Like I said, I don't think this is going to happen, but you never know.

Anybody have a van that could be used to collect & distribute it? I would not know Conn Traas & I was under the belief that previous group buys of juice were done as a favour rather than something he was actively interested in. Where is he based? Is it feasible that somebody close to him collects & stores the juice. Would be interested in a road trip but my car is not huge.

Shanna

[Taf]

Conn is based in Tipperary. From talking to someone in the know, I think Conn is agreeable enough, and should be able to facilitate the purchase. I still think you need to break it down by club, or location, as current ask of approx 1100 litres breaks down to approx 44 drums, so not feasible for one car, and even stretching the limits of a lot of vans. I think you need 3 or 4 fella's to land at Cons on the day, and then distribute onwards, as you don't want the juice sitting around too long, as it might start to ferment.

[Shanna]

Conn is based in Tipperary. From talking to someone in the know, I think Conn is agreeable enough, and should be able to facilitate the purchase. I still think you need to break it down by club, or location, as current ask of approx 1100 litres breaks down to approx 44 drums, so not feasible for one car, and even stretching the limits of a lot of vans. I think you need 3 or 4 fella's to land at Cons on the day, and then distribute onwards, as you don't want the juice sitting around too long, as it might start to ferment.

So dividing up the latest list we have 1250 litres in total  (50 * 25 litres drums). I agree with Tafs remark that this will need to be handled by clubs. I suspect that the larger orders will also need to adjusted down to a more manageable amount. There is a large amount of people who have not marked down a club affiliation I have put them in unassigned. These people would need to add themselves to a club. I would also expect that each club needs to organise its own collection and distribution or where the orders are small and the clubs close by they could double up. I have put myself down for now for the South Dublin brewers. I would also expect that each club would divide up any transportation charges among themselves to cover the cost of tolls and fuel to transport the juice back.

Taf is there any chance the collection could be on a Saturday or is it the case that you get notified that he is pressing the juice on any given day and you need to come and collect it?

NCB
01. JACOB - 150 litres NCB
02. Will_D - 50 litres - NCB
25 Nigel_c - 25L - NCB
12. Molc - 25L - NCB
24. buttercups - 75litre- NCB
NCB Total = 325 Litres = 13 * 25 litre drums

Rebel Brewers
03. Lordstilton - 50 litres
Rebel Brewers 50 Litres = 2 * 25 litre drums

Liffey Brewers
14. Blueshed - 50L - Liffey brewer
26 Oblivious 25L -Liffey brewer
Liffey Brewers 75 litres = 3 * 25 litre drums

Galway Brewers
04. MisterBurns - 50 Litres - Galway
10. St. Fursey - 50 litres - Galway
17. Montofk - 25 litres - Galway
Galway - 125 Litres = 5 * 25 litres drums

South Dublin Brewers - Shanna volunteering to collect
06. Shanna - 50 litres - South Dublin
13. Cno1 - 50 litres - South Dublin
22. Bubbles - 50 litres - South Dublin Brewers
South Dublin Brewers - 150 litres = 6 * 25 litre drums

Capital Brewers
15. Beerfly - 25L - capital
16. Dunkel - 50 litres - Capital
19. JawaLemon  - 25 litres - Dublin 12
23. Johnnycheech - 50 litres - Capital
Capital Brewers 175 litres = 7 * 25 litre drums

Uassigned Brewers
05. Ferg - 50 Litres
07. imark - 150 litres
08. mr hoppy - 25 litres
11. Covey - 25 liters
18. Seb - 25 liters
20. googoomuck - 25 litres
21. bigvalen - 50 litres
Unassigned group 350 litres = 14 * 25 litre drums

Total Juice 1250 litres

[Shanna]

When talking about distribution it would make sense to have limited number of drop points.
Ideally one per club involved in group buy, for that moment that would be ~4.
No sense of driving around the country when you can visit just few people and they could
distribute AJ to local members.

Makes sense if you have a way to transport large quantities. Your own club is down for 13 containers of juice, that won't fit in to a car. Your going to need a van or a trailer.

Shanna

[Jacob]

Makes sense if you have a way to transport large quantities. Your own club is down for 13 containers of juice, that won't fit in to a car. Your going to need a van or a trailer.

Correct. My post (deleted now) was based on assumption that we'll organize bigger van/truck, collect all orders and then distribute it to local clubs.
Getting all sorted individually should work as well.

[Jacob]

Moved Seb to NCB.

NCB
01. JACOB - 150 litres NCB
02. Will_D - 50 litres - NCB
25 Nigel_c - 25L - NCB
12. Molc - 25L - NCB
18. Seb - 25 liters - NCB
24. buttercups - 75litre- NCB
NCB Total = 350 Litres = 14 * 25 litre drums

Rebel Brewers
03. Lordstilton - 50 litres
Rebel Brewers 50 Litres = 2 * 25 litre drums

Liffey Brewers
14. Blueshed - 50L - Liffey brewer
26 Oblivious 25L -Liffey brewer
Liffey Brewers 75 litres = 3 * 25 litre drums

Galway Brewers
04. MisterBurns - 50 Litres - Galway
10. St. Fursey - 50 litres - Galway
17. Montofk - 25 litres - Galway
Galway - 125 Litres = 5 * 25 litres drums

South Dublin Brewers - Shanna volunteering to collect
06. Shanna - 50 litres - South Dublin
13. Cno1 - 50 litres - South Dublin
22. Bubbles - 50 litres - South Dublin Brewers
South Dublin Brewers - 150 litres = 6 * 25 litre drums

Capital Brewers
15. Beerfly - 25L - capital
16. Dunkel - 50 litres - Capital
19. JawaLemon  - 25 litres - Dublin 12
23. Johnnycheech - 50 litres - Capital
Capital Brewers 175 litres = 7 * 25 litre drums

Uassigned Brewers
05. Ferg - 50 Litres
07. imark - 150 litres
08. mr hoppy - 25 litres
11. Covey - 25 liters
20. googoomuck - 25 litres
21. bigvalen - 50 litres
Unassigned group 325 litres = 13 * 25 litre drums

Total Juice 1250 litres

[imark]

Removing myself from this list. It should make it a more manageable load for a single van. Also, moved LordStilton to Liffey brewers.

NCB
01. JACOB - 150 litres NCB
02. Will_D - 50 litres - NCB
25 Nigel_c - 25L - NCB
12. Molc - 25L - NCB
18. Seb - 25 liters - NCB
24. buttercups - 75litre- NCB
NCB Total = 350 Litres = 14 * 25 litre drums

Rebel Brewers
08. mr hoppy - 25 litres

Liffey Brewers
14. Blueshed - 50L - Liffey brewer
26 Oblivious 25L -Liffey brewer
03. Lordstilton - 50 litres
Liffey Brewers 125 litres = 5 * 25 litre drums

Galway Brewers
04. MisterBurns - 50 Litres - Galway
10. St. Fursey - 50 litres - Galway
17. Montofk - 25 litres - Galway
Galway - 125 Litres = 5 * 25 litres drums

South Dublin Brewers - Shanna volunteering to collect
06. Shanna - 50 litres - South Dublin
13. Cno1 - 50 litres - South Dublin
22. Bubbles - 50 litres - South Dublin Brewers
South Dublin Brewers - 150 litres = 6 * 25 litre drums

Capital Brewers
15. Beerfly - 25L - capital
16. Dunkel - 50 litres - Capital
19. JawaLemon  - 25 litres - Dublin 12
23. Johnnycheech - 50 litres - Capital
Capital Brewers 175 litres = 7 * 25 litre drums

Uassigned Brewers
05. Ferg - 50 Litres
11. Covey - 25 liters
20. googoomuck - 25 litres
21. bigvalen - 50 litres
Unassigned group 175 litres = 7 * 25 litre drums

Total Juice 1100 litres

(edit LordEoin, moved Mr Hoppy into Rebel Brewers)

[Jacob]

FYI: National truck rental is 170e flat, including fuel and tolls looking at 300e which is 20c extra to a litre of AJ - 5e on 25l.

[Shanna]

FYI: National truck rental is 170e flat, including fuel and tolls looking at 300e which is 20c extra to a litre of AJ - 5e on 25l.

Your not going to be able to get to Cork, Galway and all the Dublin clubs in one day. You could warehouse the other clubs stuff but I suspect that won't work due to the short window the juice stays good. You also have to have a truck license and allow for the time for collection & return of the truck. I could justify 5-6 hours to do a run down to Tipperary & back. I don't have a truck license so am no use here. Not trying to be negative but I suspect if we don't organise something definite soon we will miss the boat.

Shanna

[Jacob]

Your not going to be able to get to Cork, Galway and all the Dublin clubs in one day.

Think that last year guys managed to do that Also forgot to mention that was talking about 1.5 tone ~1500l.
Truck license starts from cat. and that's for vehicles from 3,500kg to 7,500kg.

[Shanna]

Your not going to be able to get to Cork, Galway and all the Dublin clubs in one day.

Think that last year guys managed to do that Also forgot to mention that was talking about 1.5 tone ~1500l.
Truck license starts from cat. and that's for vehicles from 3,500kg to 7,500kg.

Will someone volunteer to do this amount of driving given Ciderhead is not running it this time around. Not sure if he rented or borrowed the van. I seem to remember that he had some local clubs collect along the way. Whatever way this goes I think we need to get something definite worked out soon. If we can get juice confirmed on a definite date your half way there. if I remember last year's date changed at the last minute meaning hiring a van will be tricky.

Shanna

[molc]

Another possible option is to organise a group price with a supplier and let each person pickup from said supplier. No sure if that's a runner; just a thought.

[Will_D]

A few observations:

1. Con Traas is not doing favours for us. Its a straight updeal. We contract for so many litres. We pay in advance and then he tells us when it will be ready. We turn up and collect. That brings me on to point 2

2. Distribution: In the last 2 GB's a hardworking/hard driving  person picked up the the whole load and distributed around the country. This won't happen again (if I read the threads). So:

3. We can split the delivery up into the major regions: Dublin/Cork/Galway/whoever else. The local groups co-ordinate a pickup using a small van/pickup truck and then distribute at group level. Finally there is the group distribution to the individuals.

Or: 

3. Each regional group goes down to Con to pick up a car load ! and then splits to the individuals.

[mr hoppy]

I see I'm the only rebel on the list.

If this is happening and Conn Traas is the supplier I should be able pick up myself on a Friday or Saturday. I'll live with the consequences if it's available earlier in the week.