National Homebrew Club Ireland

So tomorrow is the big day. We are collecting from Jacob in Swords. We think the cider will be there by about 6 pm but keep an eye on this thread or on the phones!

If you haven't been to Jacobs before you need to PM him for the address and co-ordinates!

I have offered to collect and store at my place for those who can't make it to Jacob's

Here is the list. Please edit it and say if you want me to pick up or that you are collecting or who is collecting on your behalf!

Cheers


Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  6 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting

Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!

Partridge9:   2x25L : €
Pheeel:          1x25L:
Molc: :          1x25L:
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
TJ:                 2x25L: 
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:
Nigel:              2x25L :
Jolleybrewer:   1x25L;

Total is 28 drums

Just to add, please collect it as soon as possible.
Otherwise you'll get already fermenting cider.

As soon as we can we will let you know the pH and SG and recomended campden tablets if you wish to use them.

As Jacob says quick collection will be appreciated by all

I missed the group buy, if anyone has more than they need, i can take it :) :)
Richie

So tomorrow is the big day. We are collecting from Jacob in Swords. We think the cider will be there by about 6 pm but keep an eye on this thread or on the phones!

If you haven't been to Jacobs before you need to PM him for the address and co-ordinates!

I have offered to collect and store at my place for those who can't make it to Jacob's

Here is the list. Please edit it and say if you want me to pick up or that you are collecting or who is collecting on your behalf!

Cheers


Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  6 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting
Nigel.          2x25L : collecting from Will
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!

Partridge9:   2x25L : €
Pheeel:          1x25L:
Molc: :          1x25L:
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
TJ:                 2x25L: 
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

Jolleybrewer:   1x25L;

Total is 28 drums

I'm going to be in meetings until 7 and need 30 minutes to head over to Swords/Malahide. Who's gaff should I pick them up from?

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  6 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting
Nigel.          2x25L : collecting from Will
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Pheeel:          1x25L: collecting from Will

Partridge9:   2x25L : €
Molc: :          1x25L:
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
TJ:                 2x25L: 
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

Jolleybrewer:   1x25L;

Total is 28 drums

So for an update:

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  9 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me


Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!

Partridge9:   2x25L :
Molc: :          1x25L:
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
TJ:                 2x25L: 
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

Jolleybrewer:   1x25L;

Total is 28 drums
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So for an update:

Collection from Malahide:

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  9 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me

9x25l

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

13x25l

Not confirmed yet

Partridge9:   2x25L :
Molc: :          1x25L:
TJ:                 2x25L: 
Jolleybrewer:   1x25L;

6x25l

====

28x25l in Total

@Jacob: Have texted the last 4 !!

Quote from: Will_D on November 16, 2015, 10:00:25 PM
@Jacob: Have texted the last 4 !!

Also PMed all except James :)

Will, ok if I collect from you? Can you send me your address?

Collection from Malahide:

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  10 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me
Molc: :          1x25L: Will, can you collect for me?

10x25l

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

12x25l

Not confirmed yet

Partridge9:   2x25L :
TJ:                 2x25L: 
Jolleybrewer:   1x25L;

5x25l

====

28x25l in Total

Will, ok if I collect from you? Can you send me your address?

Collection from Malahide:

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  10 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me
Molc: :          1x25L: Will, can you collect for me?
Jolleybewer 1x25L;Will, can you collect for me

10x25l

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

12x25l

Not confirmed yet

Partridge9:   2x25L :
TJ:                 2x25L: 

4x25l

====

28x25l in Total

Collection from Malahide:
I think James will help me move these!

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  11 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me
Molc: :          1x25L: Will, can you collect for me?
Jolleybewer 1x25L;Will, can you collect for me

11x25l

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L:
SimonF:        1x25L:
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

13x25l

Not confirmed yet

Partridge9:   2x25L :
TJ:                 2x25L: 

4x25l


28x25l in Total

Collection from Malahide:
I think James will help me move these!

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  11 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me
Molc: :          1x25L: Will, can you collect for me?
Jolleybewer 1x25L;Will, can you collect for me

11x25l

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L: Simon collecting from Jacob Wednesday evening
SimonF:        1x25L: Simon collecting from Jacob Wednesday evening
Magnethead   2x25L:
Seb:                2x25L:

13x25l

Not confirmed yet

Partridge9:   2x25L :
TJ:                 2x25L: 

4x25l


28x25l in Total

Collection from Malahide:
I think James will help me move these!

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  11 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me
Molc: :          1x25L: Will, can you collect for me?
Jolleybewer 1x25L;Will, can you collect for me
Partridge9:   2x25L : Assuming that this will be collected from Malahide

13x25l

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L: Simon collecting from Jacob Wednesday evening
SimonF:        1x25L: Simon collecting from Jacob Wednesday evening
Magnethead   2x25L: collecting today
Seb:                2x25L: collecting today
TJ:                 2x25L:  collecting today

15x25l

===========
28x25l in Total

Ok I have all 13 :)

Will_D:                4x25L: Collecting  13 Drums in total
Pat_buttercups:   2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Nigel.          2x25L : Will is collecting for me
Pheeel:          1x25L: Will is collecting for me
Molc: :          1x25L: Will, can you collect for me?
Jolleybewer 1x25L;Will, can you collect for me
Partridge9:   2x25L : Collect his and Nigels from Will

The juice is in the car. I will be in the rugby club from 5 till 6:30 ish then at home from 7 onwards.

Just off to check the pH

Collection from Swords:
Jacob:          6x25L: No problem here!
Cruiscinlan:   2 x 25L: Simon collecting from Jacob Wednesday evening
SimonF:        1x25L: Simon collecting from Jacob Wednesday evening
Magnethead   2x25L: collecting today
Seb:                2x25L: collecting today
TJ:                 2x25L:  collecting today

15x25l

===========
28x25l in Total
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Hi Will,

Would mind updating the other larger thread with the details of the PH when you have it please?

Thanks,

Shanna

OK results are in
OG: 1.049
pH:  3.6

So at most 2 Campden tabs per gallon

Thanks for the info Will and CH.

I'm playing it safe this year with 1 tab per gallon. Got a bit too much sulphur last year.

How much went in last year?

I think I put in 6 or 7 tabs per drum. Only 5 this year.

Quote from: Bubbles on November 18, 2015, 10:08:57 AM
I think I put in 6 or 7 tabs per drum. Only 5 this year.

That's quite low, even last year. I put 13 tabs into my drum last year and didn't notice a sulphur note on the finished cider. I'm guessing something else is causing it not to precipitate out - maybe it's just not cold enough where it's conditioning? The cider expects are sure to have some pointers here.

Quote from: molc on November 18, 2015, 11:17:04 AM

Quote from: Bubbles on November 18, 2015, 10:08:57 AM
I think I put in 6 or 7 tabs per drum. Only 5 this year.

That's quite low, even last year. I put 13 tabs into my drum last year and didn't notice a sulphur note on the finished cider. I'm guessing something else is causing it not to precipitate out - maybe it's just not cold enough where it's conditioning? The cider expects are sure to have some pointers here.

Turns out it was waaayyyy too low..

Got home from work this evening to find my juice happily fermenting! 😊

I ended up transferring to a fermenter and pitching come cider yeast, just to make sure it finshes in a timely fashion. Hopefully I'll get the best of both worlds from this. Lesson learned. 😀

I took 2.5 litres out of each drum then added 8 tablets...by this evening it was definitely showing signs of fermenting. I bored the lids for a bung and airlock, added some nutrient and yeast and it's already bubbling.

12 tablets last night. Fermenting this evening. Bunged in lager yeast. Will see how it goes!!

What temp are you guys keeping it at? Mine was at 11 until tonight with the tablets and no activity. Have it slowly ramping up to 19 now over the next day with Wyeast 3056 in, so hoping it'll start up in a day or two.

Quote from: molc on November 18, 2015, 11:49:20 PM
Have it slowly ramping up to 19 now over the next day with Wyeast 3056 in

I had to look that up! Bavarian Wheat yeast? Sounds intriguing. What's the idea with that?

Quote from: Bubbles on November 19, 2015, 09:30:52 AM

Quote from: molc on November 18, 2015, 11:49:20 PM
Have it slowly ramping up to 19 now over the next day with Wyeast 3056 in

I had to look that up! Bavarian Wheat yeast? Sounds intriguing. What's the idea with that?

I found a thread on HomeBrewTalk that discussed it. In taste tests it gave a touch of clove and strawberry flavours, while also finishing up in the 1.005 range, to leave a medium dry cider. Now, I have no idea if it will actually stop there, since our juice isn't pasturised and the natural yeast will still be hanging around, but if I can get any residual sweetness, it saves going the artificial sweetener route.

It isn't meant to give ale like flavours that a lot of the yeasts can impart. Finally, the activator with wyeast gives a lot of yeast nutrient, which you need in cider.

I popped in in last night after building it up over 24 hours with a 1L starter and there was a nice thin yeast layer forming this morning when I checked. It better stay thin - the fermenter is almost full to the top from the drum of apple juice; they really filled it to the brim!

I did all these one year with the exception of the 5 series
http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/cider
All were done in a 50% DME 50% apple juice starter as the article about their experiment in Zymurgy explained.
002 and 028 were my choice as well other just left too much ale taste in the cider and not for me.
I was disappointed with the 775 and it was very cloudy.
Even though they are only champagne yeast after all, ironically over the years I've found the best are the cheapest, and Gervain my personal fav   

Quote from: molc on November 19, 2015, 09:41:31 AM

Quote from: Bubbles on November 19, 2015, 09:30:52 AM

Quote from: molc on November 18, 2015, 11:49:20 PM
Have it slowly ramping up to 19 now over the next day with Wyeast 3056 in

I had to look that up! Bavarian Wheat yeast? Sounds intriguing. What's the idea with that?

I found a thread on HomeBrewTalk that discussed it. In taste tests it gave a touch of clove and strawberry flavours, while also finishing up in the 1.005 range, to leave a medium dry cider. Now, I have no idea if it will actually stop there, since our juice isn't pasturised and the natural yeast will still be hanging around, but if I can get any residual sweetness, it saves going the artificial sweetener route.

It isn't meant to give ale like flavours that a lot of the yeasts can impart. Finally, the activator with wyeast gives a lot of yeast nutrient, which you need in cider.

I popped in in last night after building it up over 24 hours with a 1L starter and there was a nice thin yeast layer forming this morning when I checked. It better stay thin - the fermenter is almost full to the top from the drum of apple juice; they really filled it to the brim!

Fair play dude, nice research there. I look forward to tasting that.

Quote from: CH on November 19, 2015, 09:52:23 AM
I did all these one year with the exception of the 5 series
http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/cider
All were done in a 50% DME 50% apple juice starter as the article about their experiment in Zymurgy explained.
002 and 028 were my choice as well other just left too much ale taste in the cider and not for me.
I was disappointed with the 775 and it was very cloudy.
Even though they are only champagne yeast after all, ironically over the years I've found the best are the cheapest, and Gervain my personal fav   

Great info. Sounds like the kind of experiment that deserves a sticky thread of its own. Did you take any notes, or is this all from memory?

Well documented in Zymurgy and tbh I was just copying them especially guidance on starters,  I gave it a go as someone here in the past tried with us05 and they said it was a disaster with the first years juice, I found out after the fekin egit pitched on top of IPA dregs,
A good cider maker in NCB informs me Nottingham works well
I posted some pics of various shades and clarity of he results and they are deep in forum somewhere.
I am all about trying new stuff but I am biased as I do like the taste of clean apple in my cider and nothing clever like cloves or banana, you can always bastardise after you have got a clean building block base but you can't polish a turd.

Hehe, well last year I used both 05 and 04 with a clean finish in the end, so hopefully there won't be an Apple turd made