Hi, I have an empty cylinder and looking for refill. BOC said they don't do it. I got one place who will do a swap for a full cylinber for €40 plus €15 delivery (it's delivery only).
Is €55 too steep? Anywhere better?
I'm in Dublin
Thanks
Seems like a good deal. Most people can't even find mixed gas.
BOC in Ballymun is rather full of all the mixed beer gases you could possibly imagine.
(Also Mig/Tig welding. Oxy/Acetylene,
Small bottles, big bottles and even humungeous bottles.
You just need to open an account!*
It amazes me that homebrewers spend a fortune on shinny kit and top class ingredients and won't cough up 80 quid a year to rent a fekin botlle of quality gas!
And just sqawk on this forum: "Oh where can I get a refill of this dodgy old mixed gas bottle"
And BOC refils are cheaper,fuller & better quality than any other "gas sharks" in .ieland
* To open an account you just need:
ID: passport or photo driving licence
bank statement for the DD details!
Takes 5 mins an ytou walk out with a bottle of great gas
How do I know this:
Been there done it!
Quote from: arse..biscuits on November 24, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
Hi, I have an empty cylinder and looking for refill. BOC said they don't do it. I got one place who will do a swap for a full cylinber for €40 plus €15 delivery (it's delivery only).
Is €55 too steep? Anywhere better?
I'm in Dublin
Thanks
Does this place deliver nationwide? Name?
Beware of places that just equalise a tank with a full one, I got burnt that way with my very first one :(
Do boc open accounts for home brewers?, last time I rang them they had no interest in doing business at all.
Quote from: Will_D on November 25, 2015, 12:09:26 AM
BOC in Ballymun is rather full of all the mixed beer gases you could possibly imagine.
(Also Mig/Tig welding. Oxy/Acetylene,
Small bottles, big bottles and even humungeous bottles.
You just need to open an account!*
It amazes me that homebrewers spend a fortune on shinny kit and top class ingredients and won't cough up 80 quid a year to rent a fekin botlle of quality gas!
And just sqawk on this forum: "Oh where can I get a refill of this dodgy old mixed gas bottle"
And BOC refils are cheaper,fuller & better quality than any other "gas sharks" in .ieland
* To open an account you just need:
ID: passport or photo driving licence
bank statement for the DD details!
Takes 5 mins an ytou walk out with a bottle of great gas
How do I know this:
Been there done it!
Sticky! Really didn't know this and demystifies the mixed gas very nicely thank you.
Quote from: auralabuse on November 25, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
Do boc open accounts for home brewers?, last time I rang them they had no interest in doing business at all.
The Ballymun* depot is very friendly towards homebrewers, they will open you an account!
You just need id and bank details.
I have heard that other depots around the country may be different
*: See, the North side is the best side ;)
Quote from: CH on November 25, 2015, 08:28:10 AM
Beware of places that just equalise a tank with a full one, I got burnt that way with my very first one :(
What does this involve? Is there any way to tell?
Quote from: Will_D on November 25, 2015, 12:09:26 AM
BOC in Ballymun is rather full of all the mixed beer gases you could possibly imagine.
(Also Mig/Tig welding. Oxy/Acetylene,
Small bottles, big bottles and even humungeous bottles.
You just need to open an account!*
It amazes me that homebrewers spend a fortune on shinny kit and top class ingredients and won't cough up 80 quid a year to rent a fekin botlle of quality gas!
And just sqawk on this forum: "Oh where can I get a refill of this dodgy old mixed gas bottle"
And BOC refils are cheaper,fuller & better quality than any other "gas sharks" in .ieland
* To open an account you just need:
ID: passport or photo driving licence
bank statement for the DD details!
Takes 5 mins an ytou walk out with a bottle of great gas
How do I know this:
Been there done it!
Interesting. When I rang BOC and told them what I wanted the lady said they didn't do it.
How much is it per refill once you have an account? I have a few friends and were share our brewing eqiupment, we could possibly share an account too.
Quote from: cruiscinlan on November 25, 2015, 10:25:28 AM
Quote from: CH on November 25, 2015, 08:28:10 AM
Beware of places that just equalise a tank with a full one, I got burnt that way with my very first one :(
What does this involve? Is there any way to tell?
Full tank empty tank, connect the two.
probably weight would show it most are embossed full and empty
Quote from: arse..biscuits on November 25, 2015, 11:00:11 AM
Interesting. When I rang BOC and told them what I wanted the lady said they didn't do it.
How much is it per refill once you have an account? I have a few friends and were share our brewing eqiupment, we could possibly share an account too.
I think she knew you weren't a full member :P
A refill is about 50 I think. But ring the Ballymun depot, Owen the old manager has now retired but his replacement will give you the details.
Quote from: cruiscinlan on November 25, 2015, 10:25:28 AM
Quote from: CH on November 25, 2015, 08:28:10 AM
Beware of places that just equalise a tank with a full one, I got burnt that way with my very first one :(
What does this involve? Is there any way to tell?
Best way is the pressure gauge on your mixed gas regulator!
Assuming you have two equal sized tanks, one full at 220 bar and one empty at 1 bar
Connect the two and each will be at 110 bar.
Connect another full tank to one of them and then you get 165bar in each.
If the tanks are diferent volumes then the smaller tank will fill to a higer pressure according to the gas laws.
This called "filling by decanting" and to decant fill a full bottle to nearly 220 bar you need a bank of bottles at least 5!
It took me a while to organise a bottle stout 70/30 gas but have only used it once. Like the hop rocket I couldn't wait to buy but haven't used it yet after a year.
Point being make sure it's worth the effort
70:30 for Stout is amazing even the 50:50 I serve cider makes a difference
Yeah, I second ch, I use it to serve stout and it's amazingly creamy.
Boc wouldn't supply me in Cork, said they don't do personal only business accounts, even when I mentioned that people get gas from them in Dublin. I found eventbars.ie for getting mixed gas and I get co2 from munster gas.
What sort of price do eventbars charge?
I was told by the guy running the Cork office 50 eurofor mixed gas, but you have to swap an empty for a full. And it's the old Red boc ones he uses. I'll be doing a stout soon so I'll be getting mixed gas for that. I didn't ask how much for the co2.
Quote from: CH on November 25, 2015, 03:43:58 PM
70:30 for Stout is amazing even the 50:50 I serve cider makes a difference
While we're on the subject, I have acquired a tank of mixed gas 50:50. The tank has a female fitting, which doesn't accept the regulator I got in the group buy there recently.
Forgive my ignorance but do I need a separate mixed gas regulator or can I get a male to male converter?
You need a different regulator altogether. Search mixed gas regulator on adverts. Think they are about 60 quid. Don't use any adaptors because mixed gas is a higher pressure and could be dangerous through the co2 reg you have.
Quote from: auralabuse on November 25, 2015, 09:00:55 PM
You need a different regulator altogether. Search mixed gas regulator on adverts. Think they are about 60 quid. Don't use any adaptors because mixed gas is a higher pressure and could be dangerous through the co2 reg you have.
Míle buíochas. Could I use a welding regulator like so?:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARGON-GAS-WELDING-REGULATOR-TWIN-2-GAUGE-SINGLE-STAGE-Side-entry/180889656391?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3Db7792cfa0b764f328ad68beef16ad780%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D131654510458
Yep, you can, but you need the connection from the outlet to your keg. Ask the seller what size the output is, it's prob half or quarter inch. If it's say quarter, search eBay for female 1/4" bsp with barb. That will be you sorted then
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321352183611&alt=web
Important Update!
Looks like I was wrong about BOC Ballymun able to supply pub gas.
Had a long talk with the manageer there and BOC and Sureserve have become separate entities.
BOC Industrial Gases still do industrial gases
BOC Sureserve now handle the pub gases and are not very friendly to non pubs.
He gave me a contact number to phone about this so leave it with me as this sort of attitude from big companys makes me quite Mad [well more madder than I am already]
I will be real cheaky and jump straight in by asking for a rental or refill discount for members of the NHC!
Don't watch wheeler dealers for the pole dancers!!
They sited safety concerns to me with regard the storage and use of the gas in a home environment. I asked what they did to ensure pub compliance and they said they don't. I further asked if home brewers could just sign a disclaimer and they still refused. Just so your armed if they hit you with the same bs will. In reality they don't want to upset their very large Guinness overlords
Quote from: auralabuse on November 26, 2015, 04:35:42 PM
They sited safety concerns to me with regard the storage and use of the gas in a home environment. I asked what they did to ensure pub compliance and they said they don't.
And they've no role in ensuring anything like that anyway so it's a classic brush-off. Personally I'd report them to the Competition Authority for operating a cartel if they refuse to sell.
For anyone reading this I've done a bit of digging and added to the thread in the members area. However its looking to be difficult to get branded bottles filled. BOC won't fill 3rd party cylinders and neither will the other companies.
Pending an NHC assault on the gas companies the only option for those with a branded pub bottle is to swop a like for like bottle with one of the homebar/events hire companies.
Update: I got a cylinder delivered today. €55 delivered. You have to have a cylinder to swap though.
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