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Title: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 03, 2014, 10:51:08 AM
hey, been a while since i was here havent brewed since december but im looking for a bita advice with this recipe, its a pale ale, im just wondering what, if any characteristics 10% wheat would add to the beer im mainly adding it cause i have it and i wanna use it and hoping it will improve head retention. any other comments on the recipe are welcome got great help with my last recipes here.
cheers

Recipe: Simarilla IPA
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 27.60 l
Post Boil Volume: 23.00 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 23.00 l   
Bottling Volume: 22.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.053 SG
Estimated Color: 7.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 45.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
3.00 kg               Pearl Malt (2.5 SRM)                     Grain         1        50.8 %       
1.70 kg               Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM)           Grain         2        28.8 %       
0.60 kg               Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM)                Grain         3        10.2 %       
0.59 kg               Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)             Grain         4        10.0 %       
0.02 kg               Carafa I (406.1 SRM)                     Grain         5        0.3 %         
1.00 Items            Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins)        Fining        6        -             
20.00 g               Amarillo Gold [10.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min  Hop           7        9.1 IBUs     
20.00 g               Simcoe [9.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min          Hop           8        7.6 IBUs     
10.00 g               Citra [14.40 %] - Boil 10.0 min          Hop           9        5.5 IBUs     
25.00 g               Amarillo Gold [10.90 %] - Boil 5.0 min   Hop           10       6.3 IBUs     
25.00 g               Citra [14.40 %] - Boil 5.0 min           Hop           11       7.6 IBUs     
25.00 g               Simcoe [9.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min           Hop           12       5.2 IBUs     
25.00 g               Amarillo Gold [10.90 %] - Boil 1.0 min   Hop           13       1.4 IBUs     
25.00 g               Citra [14.40 %] - Boil 1.0 min           Hop           14       1.6 IBUs     
25.00 g               Simcoe [9.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min           Hop           15       1.1 IBUs     
1.7 pkg               Safale American  (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)  Yeast         16       -             
30.00 g               Amarillo Gold [10.90 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Da Hop           17       0.0 IBUs     
30.00 g               Simcoe [9.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days       Hop           18       0.0 IBUs     
20.00 g               Citra [14.40 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days       Hop           19       0.0 IBUs     


Mash Schedule: BIAB, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 5.91 kg
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Saccharification  Add 26.21 l of water at 71.9 C          66.7 C        75 min       
Mash Out          Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min   

Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: LordEoin on May 03, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
I don't think you'll have any problems at 10% :)
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: irish_goat on May 03, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
I normally use about 10% for the same reasons. Recipe sounds lovely.
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: Tom on May 03, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
Are you sure you have enough hops?! ;)

Looking good. I might give your grain bill a go myself, if you don't mind. Is the 20g Carafa just for colour?
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 03, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
the more the better my friend  ;D

but ye the carafa is just for a bit of colour, added with the munich im hoping for a slight orange tinge to it should look delicious  :P

ill keep you posted
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: Will_D on May 03, 2014, 07:03:26 PM
You will loose a hugh amount of liquid to all thos hops!
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: LordEoin on May 03, 2014, 08:54:03 PM
I usually squeeze the hop bags and get most of it back
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 03, 2014, 09:12:40 PM
ye i was gonna say i plan to give em a bit of a squeeze as i will be using muslin bags, is there any danger of getting off flavours from this like tannins from squeezing a grain bag??
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 04, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
had an interesting day today. so i planned to do a BIAB partial mash. so first cock up was my mash volume calculation, when i was adding the grain i ran out of space so had to hold back 450g of grain due to not enough room in my kettle feckin beer smith  :P. then when i finished my mash i read the hydrometer wrong (bit rusty tis been a while) for my pre-boil gravity and added in too much water thinkin i was diluting the wort so then becuase i added too much water i had to boil it off for like an hour and a half. in the end i figured it all out and iv got 21 litres sitting in the fermentor at the correct gravity  ;D. despite all the miss haps it was an enjoyable day i took it very easy not rushing around the place like i usually do saying that it took me about 7 hours start to finish  :P. looking forward to trying this one ill keep ya's posted.
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: Will_D on May 04, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
Relax, This sounds like a recipe for a GREAT beer!
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: DEMPSEY on May 04, 2014, 11:28:59 PM
+1 often the best fooked up brew day makes a great beer :)
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 12, 2014, 10:35:30 PM
the smell coming from this is amazing its like a punch of sweet tropical fruits wen i open the fermentor  ;D. OG came out at 1.059 and i checked it on friday night and it was at 1.024-22 seems a little slow to me wat ya think? im using US-05 at around 16-20 degrees C, am i being impatient?
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: DEMPSEY on May 13, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
As long as it is still bubbling away leave it be. 16C ferment will keep it slow moving but that's OK too :).
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: TheSumOfAllBeers on May 14, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
Thats a lot of hops. Your house must smell like a sweet shop!

I regularly use a lot of wheat, and Munich in my beers. You will have no issue with them, but the wheatiness can come through in the flavour and mouth feel (thats a good thing), and that amount of Munich will defo come through, it should balance out your base malt, which i think has a very neutral flavour.
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 05:05:39 PM
So had a check and a taste today it's good and bad news! Sadly it seems to be stuck for some odd reason it won't go below 1.022 my mash temps were fine as far as I know, hope my thermometer isn't off :/. However I had a taste and WOW! Iv heard of people referring to grapefruit wen tasting beers and I never got it but this is just like a grapefruit to the face, it seems well balanced not overly sweet or thick in the mouth with a nice breadyness to it on the finish if it stays like this I'll be happy. Still need to dry hop too. Think I'll check my thermometer
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: delzep on May 14, 2014, 05:20:50 PM
Or maybe your hydrometer....
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Checked it in some tap water and was spot on 1.000. Still the beer should be at 1.013 so it's miles off and I hit my OG fine.
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: irish_goat on May 14, 2014, 05:38:47 PM
What temperature is it at now?
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 06:09:01 PM
between 16-18 C, i just turned the heat on in the room so im gonna try bring it up to around 22C and give it a gentle swish, think would that help?
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 11:18:21 PM
ok iv just realised im very confused is this reading 1.000 or 1.010, this is the tap water from my house in dublin 12 is this normal? wat should it read? and wat is the reading.(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/v/t34.0-12/1012567_10201002938114715_3843152830038537570_n.jpg?oh=3a12b22bae42bdef02aeb9ceddcf5a1a&oe=5375D94B&__gda__=1400218289_8824f42cbb4571fa976312ea30a40330)
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: delzep on May 14, 2014, 11:20:01 PM
1.000

Another D12 brewer?

Interesting....
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 11:25:40 PM
ahhhhhh RIT! I think i may have made a mistake, instead of my beer being 1.024 it may be 1.014, feckin hydrometers  :P. but yes D12 brewer, kimmage to be exact, you wouldn happen to have any water reports for d12 would ya?
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: delzep on May 14, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
So your OG is down by 10 points too?

I'm in Clondalkin but was in a D12 brewers house this evening (supped on a fine beer of his too). Use to work in Kimmage a couple of years ago.

Could get a D12 and surrounding areas tasting session going in Sheary's as the owner is up for it
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: delzep on May 14, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
So your OG is down by 10 points too?

I'm in Clondalkin but was in a D12 brewers house this evening (supped on a fine beer of his too). Use to work in Kimmage a couple of years ago.

Could get a D12 and surrounding areas tasting session going in Sheary's as the owner is up for it

yup i was reading the scale wrong thank god.

that is a fantastic idea, i still havent been into it although i seen there was a homebrew demonstration there a while ago the owner seems passionate bout his craft beers. i think its a great idea and somethin we should look into specially if theres a few of us in the area
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: delzep on May 14, 2014, 11:48:36 PM
That was me who did the homebrew demo
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 14, 2014, 11:56:08 PM
Ah Rit fair play was there much interest in it? Did u ever bring the beer back down for a tasting or anything?
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: delzep on May 15, 2014, 12:00:58 AM
I had one or two of them...entered it into a competition and it scored 25/50 (fermentation temperature being a problem). Gave the rest back to the pub...dunno what happened them after that

I can have a word with the pub and sort out a tasting if theres gonna be interest
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 15, 2014, 07:31:33 AM
Get a thread goin about it and see wat happens I'm up for it anyway
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on May 24, 2014, 08:07:51 PM
Bottled this up today it finished at 1.012, sample tasted great can't wait for it to carb up, all seems ok except for some little bits that got into the bottles any idea wat it is, Id say hops but I'm nearly sure they weren't there until it started to ferment or maybe they just became apparent then, could it be yeast? (https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34.0-12/10374976_877250842300815_1717404264134292465_n.jpg?oh=c3d779f8d40485cd0a76ffb3a4f53f6c&oe=538294D2&__gda__=1401084305_b16948393076a47a5474738eb0a19b9e)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34.0-12/10356725_877250835634149_5455472175455799861_n.jpg?oh=26fe334627dd51b96f03c514f949c8fc&oe=5382BE94&__gda__=1401095447_06cc11bdc74f598e04f476c235ebee54)
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: baphomite51 on June 07, 2014, 12:11:03 AM
so cracked open a bottle of this tonight and its pretty good, although i am a lil dissapointed, its a lovely pale ale and drinkable but its not what i was shooting for. its got a citrussy orange/pinapple flavor to it the aroma is identical to and old orange/pinapple drink my mother used to buy, i think i over did it with the hop combination its just too much complexity, i wish i went with citra/simcoe or simcoe/amarillo, my last one i done was citra/amarillo and it was great, it had big pineapple notes but it was let down by the malt profile and FG (first pale ale i brewed). also i think im done with munich i feel its adding too much sweetness to my beers? or maybe its just that it finished a bit high, i prefare a more refreshing crisp dry beer, im gonna try simcoe and amarillo next and simcoe and centennial after that if they dont work ill be goin back to citra and amarillo.(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/1511351_886472704711962_9190890841964654464_n.jpg?oh=1e64e7aeea237793fb99c6f5ee2df7dd&oe=5393DA91&__gda__=1402215342_a9ef196b6d20cfebf879b7282abf3bbb)
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: Qs on June 07, 2014, 02:08:17 AM
It sounds exactly how I like my IPAs with the pineapple and orange and the slightly sweetness. Like O'Dell IPA and Founders Centennial combined.
Title: Re: wheat in pale ale
Post by: Samael on June 08, 2014, 02:15:18 AM
10% of wheat could be for a head rise :) That what I heard from one polish craft brewer when I asked how to rise a head in beer :)