Shit Irish Breweries

[delzep]

Yeah, wtf do you think this is? The weekend?

I had a funny response from a publican last night. I asked was he getting in Guinness Dublin Porter. "Nope. If I get in another porter people will only think there must be something wrong with the one I already have"

Did they not sell jameson and powers?

[John Edward]

Yeah, wtf do you think this is? The weekend?

I had a funny response from a publican last night. I asked was he getting in Guinness Dublin Porter. "Nope. If I get in another porter people will only think there must be something wrong with the one I already have"

Have you tried the Dublin Porter by the way? I had it at Stag's Head last week. Blimey, I'd prefer even a Coors Light to it. It almost seems like Guinness intentionally make awful secondary products to keep people going back to the stout.

[delzep]

Have you tried the Dublin Porter by the way?

No, but in fairness it's the Windies one that I'm after. My expectations for a sub 4% beer are automatically low.

Ahem, I thought I changed that view?   

[delzep]

Don't lump my liquid gold with that shite ye bollix

[UpsidedownA (Andrew)]

Economies of scale, lower bulk quantities from malt right through to print run on labels , h and diageo id imagine use hop extract for bittering and can demand much better prices on hops and can sub quite easily less  , macro less labour intensive production process , plus the publican can get away with slapping 50- 65% markup on what the brewery gets , plus below cost selling by established macros

Ultimately the craft industry in Ireland has to answer the question as to why you can get really good locally brewed beer for between £2-£3 a pint over the water, in fact as is often the case the macros are dearer in the UK.  We do have higher input costs as an economy, but there are plenty of studies that show that higher costs here can only account for c.25% of the price difference, so that leaves us with E3.00-E3.80 for Irish craft beer.

The vintners as well need to realise that their dependence on super-pubs and their relationship with the macros is killing them, all the traffic is one way.  I myself and many people I know are sick to the teeth of wall to wall branding for Guinness and all that Arthurs Day nonsense.

Why is it cheaper in the UK?
The pubs own the taps and maintain them (which means the micros don't spend >€200 putting in a tap with an ongoing maintenance hassle)
Most micros produce Real Ale. So they are saving on refrigeration costs (refrigerated lager fermentations, cold conditioning). The beer doesn't have to be bright, so they don't lose litres filtering or have associated process aid costs.
Just some of the reasons.

[mr hoppy]

Real ale is hardly cheap in a lot of places here.

[Rossa]

Economies of scale, lower bulk quantities from malt right through to print run on labels , h and diageo id imagine use hop extract for bittering and can demand much better prices on hops and can sub quite easily less  , macro less labour intensive production process , plus the publican can get away with slapping 50- 65% markup on what the brewery gets , plus below cost selling by established macros

Ultimately the craft industry in Ireland has to answer the question as to why you can get really good locally brewed beer for between £2-£3 a pint over the water, in fact as is often the case the macros are dearer in the UK.  We do have higher input costs as an economy, but there are plenty of studies that show that higher costs here can only account for c.25% of the price difference, so that leaves us with E3.00-E3.80 for Irish craft beer.

The vintners as well need to realise that their dependence on super-pubs and their relationship with the macros is killing them, all the traffic is one way.  I myself and many people I know are sick to the teeth of wall to wall branding for Guinness and all that Arthurs Day nonsense.

Why is it cheaper in the UK?
The pubs own the taps and maintain them (which means the micros don't spend >€200 putting in a tap with an ongoing maintenance hassle)
Most micros produce Real Ale. So they are saving on refrigeration costs (refrigerated lager fermentations, cold conditioning). The beer doesn't have to be bright, so they don't lose litres filtering or have associated process aid costs.
Just some of the reasons.

One brewer told me that pubs were marking up his beers by 72%+.  The Big boys are usually around 50% . Craft tax. Greed. Typical Irish way of ruining things. Whatever they say about rates and overheads if they can do the big boys at 50% why not the smaller producers.

[Kieran the Human]

Was charged 7 euro for a bottle of Irish Craft (4.3%) at a small pub in Cork that was selling Coors for 3.50 - the bar man told me thats what craft beer costs - it's ridiculous

[mr hoppy]

Was charged 7 euro for a bottle of Irish Craft (4.3%) at a small pub in Cork that was selling Coors for 3.50 - the bar man told me thats what craft beer costs - it's ridiculous

That really is ridiculous.

[brenmurph]

sooner the better craft beer fans start speaking with their feet.... like I do..and support the breweries and the pubs that give good value for hard-earned cash.

[Qs]

The thing about giving breweries that provide value for money our cash is they're usually not Irish.

[brenmurph]

Value is not cheap beer...its where all involved ger a competitive and fair price

[brenmurph]

I dont expect to obtain a quality hand made hand bottled and hand delivered beer for 3 euros like a pint of tuborg costs. Im very happy to support small fry who work hard and do a good job even if there beer is more expensive however if the pub is happy to sell a guinness at 2 quid profit and a rascals or other real craft beer at 3.75 profit then im off to the next pub

[Qs]

Well I find the off license prices worse than the pubs around here. In the pub its around a fiver for Irish, English, American, German whatever. In the off license the Irish craft bottles cost quite a bit more than American or English beer. And I find very few of them can compete with those on quality. I drink plenty of pints of Irish beer but usually its from a very small selection of breweries. In the off license I very, very rarely buy Irish.

[Kieran the Human]

Was charged 7 euro for a bottle of Irish Craft (4.3%) at a small pub in Cork that was selling Coors for 3.50 - the bar man told me thats what craft beer costs - it's ridiculous

That really is ridiculous.

What size bottle was the €7 one? Coors I think is 330ml? I don't know the price of Coors (will find out) but a 500ml of average Irish craft beer would generally be no more than €2.10 to the pub (ex VAT). So assuming it was a 500ml, out of the €7 around €1.31 is VAT, leaving the publican with €3.59. There are a few different ways to calculate markup, but leaving VAT out, that works out about 170%.

500ml bottle for 7 euro - Coors was on draught, 3.50 a pint on special, most other pints at around 4.30