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CO2 lines for serving lambics and "normal" beers

Started by molc, August 25, 2016, 09:28:42 AM

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molc

Trying to figure out how to plumb my kegerator for sours in the near future. Right now, there is one CO2 cannister, with a single line out. Six gas disconnects are connected to the line in series.

Now, if I connect a lambic/brett/anything funky to this system, I assume I will comtaminate all connected kegs, suggested the need for a separate CO2 tank and regulator. Has anyone else done this or how have they solved the serving problem?

Also, if a keg has a brett beer, can it be cleaned successfully with W5, or is it forever in the sour keg group afterwards? Bear in mind an average strength beer sits in kegs for 6+ months, as I'm quite a slow drinker.
Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter

Leann ull

Stainless is fine but anything plastic/rubber has the potential to be contaminated by absorption, so lines taps buckets seals etc.
You could always have a set of posts and seals for Brett just to be safe.
You could get a one way valve for your gas, but on the outside a dedicated line and tap is best for serving longer term.
Would you not just bottle?

molc

Quote from: CH on August 25, 2016, 10:16:15 AM
Stainless is fine but anything plastic/rubber has the potential to be contaminated by absorption, so lines taps buckets seals etc.
You could always have a set of posts and seals for Brett just to be safe.
You could get a one way valve for your gas, but on the outside a dedicated line and tap is best for serving longer term.
Would you not just bottle?
Barrel projects and also blending down the road would make it easier to have it in kegs, otherwise I'd bottle. Planning on having a dedicated sour tap with whatever flavour of the month sour I want to drink at the time. There's a perlick with no flow control that would be perfect for low and medium levels of carbonation.

One way value is just the ticket. I can fit that in line before the keg and know that the gas won't flow back.
Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter

Leann ull

Quote from: molc on August 25, 2016, 10:35:59 AM
Planning on having a dedicated sour tap with whatever flavour of the month sour I want to drink at the time.

One way value is just the ticket. I can fit that in line before the keg and know that the gas won't flow back.

Obviously got a great dentist

I did have a load of them but after a blow back have em all installed now

This ones for liquids to save your reg

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Guest-3-8-x-3-8-Push-Fit-One-way-Single-Check-Valve-Water-3-8SCV-/221731630396?hash=item33a03c2d3c:g:GskAAOSwstxVHCFq


molc

Yuck! Alas looks like those values are liquid only. I'm sure I can find a gas equivalent though.
Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter

Leann ull

like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-10mm-Inline-Check-Valve-for-Fuel-Diesel-Gas-Liquid-Air-One-Way-Non-Return-/321866775344

except the gas ones need a min opening pressure and only operate to a point.

Thinking a little 2Kg tank with a separate line is your easiest option.

molc

Quote from: CH on August 25, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-10mm-Inline-Check-Valve-for-Fuel-Diesel-Gas-Liquid-Air-One-Way-Non-Return-/321866775344

except the gas ones need a min opening pressure and only operate to a point.

Thinking a little 2Kg tank with a separate line is your easiest option.
Yeah small tank from AJ sitting in the fridge might just by the way to go. Also add a check value so I can disconnect and use it for other things as well. Would be handy for force carbonation things or purging kegs.
Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter

imark

You're probably over thinking it imo. I've reused keg, lines, taps for sours without problems for several years. Everything in the kegerator is refrigerated so highly unlikely to sour on you.
Fermentation vessel is a different matter and I'd definitely separate kit for that side of things.

Leann ull

Quote from: imark on August 25, 2016, 01:38:36 PM
You're probably over thinking it imo. I've reused keg, lines, taps for sours without problems for several years. Everything in the kegerator is refrigerated so highly unlikely to sour on you.
Fermentation vessel is a different matter and I'd definitely separate kit for that side of things.

I bow to the guy with the experience, am I correct in saying it only takes a tiny tiny amount for it to take hold?

molc

Quote from: imark on August 25, 2016, 01:38:36 PM
You're probably over thinking it imo. I've reused keg, lines, taps for sours without problems for several years. Everything in the kegerator is refrigerated so highly unlikely to sour on you.
Fermentation vessel is a different matter and I'd definitely separate kit for that side of things.
Do your kegs share a single co2 line and are you force carbing on those lines? I'm just worried about connecting in a sour, then connecting another keg to the system and force carbing it. At that point, the other keg will be at a low pressure, so the gas from the others will be flowing into it, including the souring line, which in turn has just pulled bugs into the co2 line in the system.
Overthinking, it's what I do... :)
Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter

imark

That's true. Same principle applies as long as you keep it cold tho.
I don't force carb on my serving reg. I use a double reg and one side goes keezer other loose for force carbing and general use.

@CH it takes a trace and at room temperature you'll be in trouble given time.

molc

Cool, I can work with that. Getting a manifold soon to split the single line into 3, with values to shut off flow, so I can use that for force carbing even when a sour is connected to the system and keep things isolated.

While the system may be cold, any bottles I pull and send to comps may warm up for a while, so just can't have bugs getting into the clean kegs.
Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter

Leann ull


nigel_c

Get a dedicated sour beer shed.
You know you want to.  ;D

molc

Fermenting: IPA, Lambic, Mead
Conditioning: Lambic, Cider, RIS, Ole Ale, Saison
On Tap: IPA, Helles, Best Bitter