Make your brewing pay for itself

[Oh Crap]

Ah here lads hobbies are supposed to cost

Agree...
Example women/shopping...it cost s you...😱😜

[darren996]

Starting a shiny anonymous group if anyone is interested

[Will_D]

FFS lads!  - it looks like there are sadder b'stds on the forum than me!

Yippe Kayee MEfer

I am so unsad I am happy

[johnrm]

Start a kitty for the kitty.
He hee!

[guest1906]

I know this is a beer thread but I have had some offers from people to buy cider from me. What are my legal rights on this matter?

[pob]

I know this is a beer thread but I have had some offers from people to buy cider from me. What are my legal rights on this matter?

Selling any alcohol is wrought with red tape & regs, so best to talk to the specialists on this, Cider Ireland & an accountant/tax advisor (would need to go down excise/duty/tax route).

Are you producing it in large amounts? Do you have a business plan? Go out, visit & talk to some of the suppliers (pick a quiet time, just not at a festival)

If it's only few bottles, just give them away & encourage them to start fermenting their own.

[Leann ull]

Legal rights? without applying for a licence from revenue for cider production you'll be arrested  and prosecuted for duty evasion.
HSE would have a field day with you to as you are selling a consumable and they would want to see your production facilities.
Have they tasted it
Better to barter with no financial transaction on a small scale that attract unwanted attention.

[Eoin]

if you own apple orchards you can do some for yourself at markets etc right? Isn't this how Llewellyn started?

[irish_goat]

if you own apple orchards you can do some for yourself at markets etc right? Isn't this how Llewellyn started?

You can get away with not paying duty on it but only if you're a farmer and the cider making is not your main source of income. You'd still need to go through all the health and safety checks though.

[Slev]

I have a basic spreadsheet that tells me what my production cost per bottle is. This is calculating everything bought historically (kit, ingredients etc.) and dividing it by bottles produced. I also have a "forecast" that tells me what it could have been (factoring in ruined batches spillages etc.)

I think current bottle cost is 2.02 and forecast somewhere around 1.34.

Doesnt really encourage me to save for the next batch unfortunately.

Damn I'm a nerd 

I'm the same, think my cost per 500ml bottle including capex and opex is around €1.90 so I'm saving money on every bottle I don't buy in the office since the cheapest would be a tin of Brewdog or a McGargles bottle for 2.50-3.50 ish. I do have to buy a pump or 2, lots of camlocks and other shiny things so the "saving" per bottle will be wiped out shortly!

Exactly -  so to buy a new pump say,  you'd only have to drink 40-50 beers.  If you wanted a ball valve,  it is only 10 beers away,  and you'd still have some of the batch left to get something else. 
Beerconomics turns out to be a very handy reasoning tool when arguing with oneself!

[guest1906]

What you guys have been saying I guessed that as much myself and only make small batches at a time and I keep telling people I don't have a licence to sell. But if they throw a party i guess I could bring the booze along and I also do a lot of bartering.

[Slev]

What you guys have been saying I guessed that as much myself and only make small batches at a time and I keep telling people I don't have a licence to sell. But if they throw a party i guess I could bring the booze along and I also do a lot of bartering.

..... Or what about just bartending instead,  to the nice folks who invited  you to their party!