Big G Clone

[Ciderhead]

Its getting chilly and time to get some stouts on the go
I came across this one somewhere, anybody any thoughts about late addition hops as last lot of EKG at 30 mins looks very lonely

Recipe: Guinness Clone
Brewer: John
Asst Brewer:
Style: Dry Stout
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 25.42 l
Post Boil Volume: 21.42 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 20.00 l   
Bottling Volume: 19.49 l
Estimated OG: 1.044 SG
Estimated Color: 81.7 EBC
Estimated IBU: 37.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 74.2 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #          %/IBU         
5.00 g                Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   1        -             
2.60 kg               Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (5.9 EBC)           Grain         2        62.7 %       
1.00 kg               Barley, Flaked (Thomas Fawcett) (3.9 EBC Grain         3        24.1 %       
0.50 kg               Roasted Barley (Thomas Fawcett) (1199.7  Grain         4        12.0 %       
0.05 kg               Acid Malt (5.9 EBC)                      Grain         5        1.2 %         
20.00 g               Goldings, East Kent [6.80 %] - Boil 60.0 Hop           6        17.3 IBUs     
30.00 g               Goldings, East Kent [6.80 %] - Boil 30.0 Hop           7        19.9 IBUs     
0.26 tsp              Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 mins)              Fining        8        -             
1.0 pkg               Irish Ale Yeast (White Labs #WLP004)     Yeast         9        -             


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 4.15 kg
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time           
Mash In           Add 11.62 l of water at 74.4 C          65.6 C        75 min               

Sparge: Fly sparge with 18.76 l water at 75.6 C

[ColinC]

I tried this one on nitro at a demo there & it was quality - better than the real thing 

http://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/art-genesis-p-775.html

[delzep]

Isn't a 30 minute hop addition a bit of a waste of hops? You're not getting full bitterness extraction and the flavour and aroma profile of the hop is diminished

[Ciderhead]

That's what I was thinking and i don't like EKG late, any thoughts anyone?


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[irish_goat]

A 60 min addition aiming for 40-45 IBUs should suffice.

[mr hoppy]

The acid malt is instead of that.

[Ciderhead]

I didnt know that god knows what lurgies float around in my kitchen I think I'll stick with the acid malt


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[mr hoppy]

All of Graham Wheeler's Guinness recipes and his Murphy's recipe just have Target at the start of the boil if that's any help.

[Ciderhead]

Thanks
Was talking to a guy whose father  grew 40 acres of hops here for the big boys in the 60's
They wanted him and 5 others to switch across to northern brewer from fuggles.
He refused and got double his price the following year.
I guess I'll stick to the boring EKG as just  bittering only


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[Hop Bomb]

Yeah the BYO clone brews book only has a 60 min hop addition for the guinness draught clone. It also calls for 150ppm of chalk. The dry stout brewing with style episode called bullshit on the soured beer addition. http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/973  Then again though Americans are cloning a brew from a can of draught guinness, bought in America. The only place Ive had guinness worse than America is France.

[Ciderhead]

There were only 4 growers, what was his surname? (Mosse?)

Nope, I'll introduce you and you can ask him yourself.

[Ciderhead]

The only place Ive had guinness worse than America is France.

[Hop Bomb]

Theres a lot of waffle down to it being live radio but the content is top notch I think.