Adding gelatin to clarify your beer faster

[Hop Bomb]

@ LordEoin - You can do what you want with your own beer/ham sandwich. As for peanut labeling - Its totally necessary as people with a hypersensitivity to nuts die all the time. You wouldnt want your company to be sued by the deceased's family for want of a little warning label. That would be pretty short sighted no matter how obvious or dumb you may think it is.

You're conflating medical condition based food exclusions with choice based ones.

The amount of finings left in the beer is negligable if not zero. It's not worth the argument. Commercial breweries use them too and don't advertise it.

This is my angle. Commercial breweries should have to state if beers are vegan friendly. No matter how much you dislike or ridicule their lifestyle or dietary choice, producers should have to respect their choices & label their produce accordingly. Im repeating myself now but Il say it again - why should the beer sector be any different to the food sector in respect to labeling??

[LordEoin]

we can't warn everybody about everything.
people need to take responsibility for themselves and stop making everyone around them change in case they get offended.

[ferg]

we can't warn everybody about everything.
people need to take responsibility for themselves and stop making everyone around them change in case they get offended.

I tried to make the point already that imperfect information exists on the part of the consumer. Can you point to a list of vinyards or breweries that don't use gelatin? Or if you're saying you should write to them and ask? Say they take the attitude that gelatin drops out and is therefore not an ingredient so they don't put that in the reply. It is up the producer to be transparent about their product.

[Hop Bomb]

Simple as that lads. Two words.

[Qs]

But thats on a beer that wants to promote it vegan friendliness. Thats fine but if a brewer uses gelatin should he have to put "vegan unfriendly" on his beer? Lets just allow the vegans to look for their labels and if they aren't there then caveat emptor.

[Hop Bomb]

Well it would only be unfriendly to ethical vegans. Dietary ones probably wouldnt care. Just put the fining agent used in the ingredients list along with everything else. Its just one extra word on a label.

[Qs]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Just look at the uproar on facebook about Guinness using "fish guts" in their beer. I wouldn't be listing gelatin with my ingredients. Especially as its not an ingredient.

Ethical veganism is a political ideal and I see no more reason to add gelatin to a products labelling than the working conditions of the people who made my phone. Sometimes if you care about something the onus is on you to become informed.

[Eoin]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Just look at the uproar on facebook about Guinness using "fish guts" in their beer. I wouldn't be listing gelatin with my ingredients. Especially as its not an ingredient.

Ethical veganism is a political ideal and I see no more reason to add gelatin to a products labelling than the working conditions of the people who made my phone. Sometimes if you care about something the onus is on you to become informed.

No hard feeelings but I really hope you only ever serve to friends and family and don't make the jump to commercial with that attitude.

[DEMPSEY]

Does drinking alcohol not help in sterilizing the body :. When we went chasing wimmen we figured that de mickey could not get a rash if we consumed alot of beer .

[LordEoin]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Just look at the uproar on facebook about Guinness using "fish guts" in their beer. I wouldn't be listing gelatin with my ingredients. Especially as its not an ingredient.

Ethical veganism is a political ideal and I see no more reason to add gelatin to a products labelling than the working conditions of the people who made my phone. Sometimes if you care about something the onus is on you to become informed.

No hard feeelings but I really hope you only ever serve to friends and family and don't make the jump to commercial with that attitude.

Don't worry Qs, if you ever go commercial and make good beer I'll still buy it regardless of whether you indulge the vegans or not <3

@dempsey - is there truth hidden in this?

[Bazza]

When we went chasing wimmen we figured that de mickey could not get a rash if we consumed alot of beer.

When I can be bothered putting proper labels on my beer I always make sure the following warning is displayed beside the abv: "WARNING: Alcohol makes you witty and attractive".
No one's ever come back to me complaining that they ended the night feeling ugly and no fun. It just works.

-Barry

[Eoin]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Just look at the uproar on facebook about Guinness using "fish guts" in their beer. I wouldn't be listing gelatin with my ingredients. Especially as its not an ingredient.

Ethical veganism is a political ideal and I see no more reason to add gelatin to a products labelling than the working conditions of the people who made my phone. Sometimes if you care about something the onus is on you to become informed.

No hard feeelings but I really hope you only ever serve to friends and family and don't make the jump to commercial with that attitude.

Don't worry Qs, if you ever go commercial and make good beer I'll still buy it regardless of whether you indulge the vegans or not <3

@dempsey - is there truth hidden in this?

It's not to do with "indulging" anyone, it also has nothing to do with beer quality, there are lots of reasons people are vegetarian or vegan. I worked in gastronomy for years and allergies and food preferences are a serious subject.
The argument that because it drops out that it's not a constituent of the final beer is a total non-argument.

Also if people need to take responsbility for themselves, how can they do that if uninformed.....your prejudices are stronger than your brain power on this one LE.

[Qs]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Just look at the uproar on facebook about Guinness using "fish guts" in their beer. I wouldn't be listing gelatin with my ingredients. Especially as its not an ingredient.

Ethical veganism is a political ideal and I see no more reason to add gelatin to a products labelling than the working conditions of the people who made my phone. Sometimes if you care about something the onus is on you to become informed.

No hard feeelings but I really hope you only ever serve to friends and family and don't make the jump to commercial with that attitude.

Don't worry Qs, if you ever go commercial and make good beer I'll still buy it regardless of whether you indulge the vegans or not <3

@dempsey - is there truth hidden in this?

Free sausage roll with every purchase. 

Sausages will also be vegan unfriendly.

[LordEoin]

I think you're giving people too much credit. Just look at the uproar on facebook about Guinness using "fish guts" in their beer. I wouldn't be listing gelatin with my ingredients. Especially as its not an ingredient.

Ethical veganism is a political ideal and I see no more reason to add gelatin to a products labelling than the working conditions of the people who made my phone. Sometimes if you care about something the onus is on you to become informed.

No hard feeelings but I really hope you only ever serve to friends and family and don't make the jump to commercial with that attitude.

Don't worry Qs, if you ever go commercial and make good beer I'll still buy it regardless of whether you indulge the vegans or not <3

@dempsey - is there truth hidden in this?

It's not to do with "indulging" anyone, it also has nothing to do with beer quality, there are lots of reasons people are vegetarian or vegan. I worked in gastronomy for years and allergies and food preferences are a serious subject.
The argument that because it drops out that it's not a constituent of the final beer is a total non-argument.

Also if people need to take responsbility for themselves, how can they do that if uninformed.....your prejudices are stronger than your brain power on this one LE.

ooh, personal attacks against members!  go admin yourself or something.

there is no requirement to put finings on the ingredients, or mark things 'suitable for vegans'. Adding or omitting those things is done for marketing, to sell more to vegans. most non vegans don't particularly care.
I'd still call it indulging the vegans.

[Hop Bomb]

There should be a requirement though. Thats the point Im trying to make. Hard to get that across though with petty arguments & sausage rolls being thrown about the place. Im not a vegan or vegetarian. It doesnt effect me one bit. I just think that as a consumer all the ingredients should be on there incl any animal parts or process used. I also think that the name & address of the manufacturer should be on there too. None of this brewed in the EU bollix or wishy washy descriptions on contract brewed stuff. Its not a lot to ask is it? And Im amazed how strongly opposed ye are to it.

Some of you clearly have issues or prejudices against leaf eaters as the tone in some of your posts is juvenile at times. Not what Id expect from grown men. I tried to steer the thread into a discussion about label requirements on beer but some of you keep dragging it back to a fuck the vegans type argument. I dont know why Im even bothering here. I usual dont bother posting on stuff like this as you always get the same replies. Enjoy the weekend lads.