Hop juice - East coast style

[Bubbles]

Blind tasting in GCB tonight but which one will win?

Do let us know!

[fishjam45 (Colin)]

I DID! 

Actually cant remember

[Leann ull]

Did ya fuck, you weren't sure which one of my 2 was yours
Amazing thing with this style is the beer changes literally by the week, we will give everybody a tip and say that 007 is a shit yeast for this style.

[Bubbles]

007 is a shit yeast for this style.

Yep, I've been saying this for years. BYO magazine is full of recipes using combinations of English yeast and american yeast (including their Stone and Brewdog clone recipes, which are definitely not English yeast). The esters in those yeasts clash hideously with US hops. A waste of good hops.

[irish_goat]

Punk IPA and 5AM Saint are brewed with English yeast though. I've brewed great APAs with 007 as well.

[BrewDorg]

Conversely though, London Ale III is supposedly the best yeast for the style. And even Conan has English origins. The 007 ester profile must not play well with the US hops, unlike the peach and pineapple esters I get from Conan which go great with US hops.

[Qs]

Punk IPA and 5AM Saint are brewed with English yeast though. I've brewed great APAs with 007 as well.

Not according to that PDF they released.

[molc]

007 is a shit yeast for this style.

Yep, I've been saying this for years. BYO magazine is full of recipes using combinations of English yeast and american yeast (including their Stone and Brewdog clone recipes, which are definitely not English yeast). The esters in those yeasts clash hideously with US hops. A waste of good hops.

I think the english yeast _can_ make a good ipa, but you have to be really careful with your hop selection to not get a juice bomb. I've settled on Wyeast 1272 for APA/IPA these days, as you can play with the temp profile to get fruity esters that are more subtle than the english yeasts but work well with the hops.

Sounds like a great experiment for a group brew day actually - make the base wort together and let each person ferment with a different yeast.

[Bubbles]

007 is a shit yeast for this style.

Yep, I've been saying this for years. BYO magazine is full of recipes using combinations of English yeast and american yeast (including their Stone and Brewdog clone recipes, which are definitely not English yeast). The esters in those yeasts clash hideously with US hops. A waste of good hops.

I think the english yeast _can_ make a good ipa, but you have to be really careful with your hop selection to not get a juice bomb. I've settled on Wyeast 1272 for APA/IPA these days, as you can play with the temp profile to get fruity esters that are more subtle than the english yeasts but work well with the hops.

Sounds like a great experiment for a group brew day actually - make the base wort together and let each person ferment with a different yeast.

Bagsy the cal ale strain..

It's not that it's too fruity. I think it's the resiny/piny character of the US hops that comes across as really harsh when paired with the English yeast. It just tastes.... wrong.. to me. But each to his own.

The BYO mag recipes for Brewdog are pretty old at this stage, and the DIY Dog PDF certainly seems to contradict those old recipes. I don't detect any English character whatsoever from 5am Saint and certainly not from Punk IPA.

[Leann ull]

That's what we did

[irish_goat]

Punk IPA and 5AM Saint are brewed with English yeast though. I've brewed great APAs with 007 as well.

Not according to that PDF they released.

You're right. They definitely used to use dry english yeast in most of their beers. It was listed on their website at one stage and quoted in a few articles plus interviews with Martin Dickie. http://www.port66.co.uk/yeast-brewing-myths-ideal-house-strain/

A great example from the UK is my experience at Thornbridge and Buxton, when I started at Thornbridge we used a yeast strain that came from Holt's brewery in Manchester, not the sexiest brewery in the UK and certainly not a hop forward US style brewery but the yeast is fantastic and Thornbridge took the UK beer industry by storm with a range of expressive US style hop driven beers. I left Thornbridge and became the Head Brewer at Buxton, I quickly ditched the yeast Buxton were using and put in place the same strain brewing some excellent beers. This strain is also used by Brewdog for Punk IPA and Jackhammer and adds to the character in amazing ways.

[Qs]

They seem to have changed most of their recipes in the last few years if you believe their website so it wouldn't surprise me.

[kegging]

My 007 is almost gone and I thought it was nice hop juice.

HBC don't have any flaked oats in stock until Tuesday so waiting for that order and will brew again with Vermont Ale

[molc]

HBC don't have any flaked oats in stock until Tuesday so waiting for that order and will brew again with Vermont Ale

Just get some porridge oats in the supermarket? They're rolled oats, which have been steamed afaik, which is the same thing.

[oblivious]

As long as their rolled there grand