Is all Macro Beer Really that bad?

[cruiscinlan]

The IMC lager malts which we had were terrible conversion wise. Into the 60's-70's where I can normally achieve 80% with a UK or German malt.

By IMC malts is that the same as MCI in Cork? Hard to believe they could stay in business if efficiency is so poor. Cost aside though poor efficiency wouldn't have that much of an effect on flavour?

SA I see your point. I'd rather discussion of the craft breweries were not private as then there's a chance they might read it.

There's very little in the way of Irish beer I could fully recommend over an international competitor.

Even the onshoring of bottling for some of the craft breweries seems to have negatively affected the product, with the bottled product tasting quite dull.

[Leann ull]

SA I see your point. I'd rather discussion of the craft breweries were not private as then there's a chance they might read it.

But we are not a beer consumer group our function is to break down the beer into its component parts and use that information to facilitate us to brew better beer.

If we get something that's really bad well then yeah I would suggest a copy of the discussion is forwarded onto the brewery as a courtesy.

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer, 5 minutes of Finney has had a few rants about bottling quality but I haven't seen her name and shame for obvious reasons it's potentially slander.

It shouldn't be in the public area as there is the potential of a defamation issue for the NHC which unlike a Macro, a micro would struggle to recover from.

Oddly, Macros attitude to us as homebrewers is pretty dismissive unlike micros who are supportive of what we do.

Macros are good at what they do but they are money making machines and some operate with poor business practices. There is no political agenda in NHC that I can see or bashing here these are just facts.

[delzep]

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer,

Ever wonder why that is?

Surely nothing to do with freebies/promos etc....

[garciaBernal]

Is it defamation if you correctly point out off flavours that exist in a beer?

[Eoin]

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer,

Ever wonder why that is?

Surely nothing to do with freebies/promos etc....

I suspect that they get cut more slack due to them already being the one that's struggling in the face of a lot of money from the macros.

[molc]

Is it defamation if you correctly point out off flavours that exist in a beer?

It could be tricky to prove a tasting is objective without empirical evidence. Also it could just be one bottle and not representative of the batch or other batches.

There's a reason I don't speak legal

[delzep]

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer,

Ever wonder why that is?

Surely nothing to do with freebies/promos etc....

I suspect that they get cut more slack due to them already being the one that's struggling in the face of a lot of money from the macros.

That's a bit patronising. How is a brewery ever gonna learn and improve if all their feedback is a false positive?

Edit - not patronising by you

[irish_goat]

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer.

The Beer Nut does all the time. Here's one from 2 weeks ago. https://thebeernut.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/they-dont-know-jack.html

[Taf]

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer.

The Beer Nut does all the time. Here's one from 2 weeks ago. https://thebeernut.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/they-dont-know-jack.html

Was just about to post re the beernut, but you beat me to it. He never beats around the bush with his descriptions regardless of where the beer is from.

[Ed]

That's a bit patronising. How is a brewery ever gonna learn and improve if all their feedback is a false positive?

I offered feedback to a (well established) irish craft brewery about, in my opinion, a very poor and misrepresentative batch of their normally excellent product, offered to send the last of the bottles I'd bought (I'd had 2 out of the 3 I'd bought ) down to them for investigation, gave them the batch number and BBE date from the bottle, place and date of purchase etc... it wasn't just a "your beer's shit" email.

Heard nothing back.

After a week I opened the third bottle, tried it, tipped it down the drain like the other two. I'm not going to say I won't buy their beer again, but it leaves a bad taste in your mouth... pun intended.

[Eoin]

I have yet to read a slating review of any Irish Beers from any Irish Bloggers about any Irish Beer.

The Beer Nut does all the time. Here's one from 2 weeks ago. https://thebeernut.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/they-dont-know-jack.html

I posted pics a while back of my visit to that place, I didn't mention where it was or who it was, but it was the brewery in question.

Now I was only helping him out on some points, I've been too busy to taste his beers and give him some feedback, but he wants me to come in and provide feedback on his beers and how they could be improved.

Not a glowing review and I've forwarded it on to him, so let's see what he makes of it.

I think he'll take it on the chin and seek to improve the beers.

[Leann ull]

Funny I was reading a lot of Johns stuff and it was tamer maybe he was going through a good spell

[Leann ull]

Anybody else have this

[Eoin]

Anybody else have this
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Yes, I have a copy of it somewhere.

[Shanna]

Anybody else have this

Santa is going to be delivering the updated 200 recipe version for XMas.

Shanna