Diageo I'm not a frog

[DEMPSEY]

Diageo I'm not a frog,
I was in a pub last night and as often the case with a limited choice to choose from I decided to have a pint of Guinness. The beer was served fine,there was no off flavours but as I drank a few it was apparent that the bean counters are continuing to drive this beer to a dumb downed shadow of what it once was, a great beer.
they apply the cook a frog approach by making continuing slight changes hoping that beer drinkers will not notice.

Well I notice.

This beer today is a thin bodied low gravity ale with low IBU'S probably in the teens. No amount of pixie dust sprinkled by their marketing people can hide the fact that they have gone past their Guinness light beer and have now got it to be Guinness Extra light.

[TheSumOfAllBeers]

As I only drink Guinness on return trips to home, you get a feeling for how anaemic it is.

[Beerbuddha]

So you both drink it at some stage and finish the pint 

At least you can drink it unlike most Irish craft beers. Thats not just me saying that, i'm going by all the posts in the wastapp groups. Posts after post after post of crap infected undrinkable beers.

But unlike big commercial beers who most of the boys have no contact with unless its brewcon speakers...competiotions ....visits...... they can be named and shamed on here as usual but best we not upset our friends and say it like it is Irish Craft beer is 75% sink washer. So keep the name and shame to watsapp groups boys.

And so it goes on post after post.

PROST.

[CH]

At least you can drink it unlike most Irish craft beers. Thats not just me saying that, i'm going by all the posts in the wastapp groups. Posts after post after post of crap infected undrinkable beers.

But unlike big commercial beers who most of the boys have no contact with unless its brewcon speakers...competiotions ....visits...... they can be named and shamed on here as usual but best we not upset our friends and say it like it is Irish Craft beer is 75% sink washer. So keep the name and shame to watsapp groups boys.

And so it goes on post after post.

PROST.

I think you are missing the point, there is no question that there is an issue with Irish Craft beer that's not the discussion here. I believe Dempsey is flagging up that fact that G aren't maintaining previous quality and even worse letting the accountants at it by cutting corners.

It's a real shame as if they were cute and for pennies they could have excelled the product.
Personally I would concur the product used to have more body in it and now there are breweries out there that are brewing Irish Stout better than G.
You really can't beat a good pint of G but I haven't had one for years.

Not sure about your other points, Diageo used NHC for their own agenda on competitions and we were net losers, but hey that's life I don't think those would be repeated. As regards Brewcon we had an excellent speaker from Diageo and a poor one. They were not there in any official capacity but I suspect welcomed the opportunity to see what is going on at our grass roots level.
I often feel in St James that there is a huge talent bank of young clever brewers chomping at the bit to show their talents but get squashed by the corporate brow beating and the accountants.

Only analogy I can think for above is eating out and if you want a KFC or McDonald's drink G or other Macro beer. You will get a bland globally consistent boring product that ticks a box.
Or you can go to a local pizza restaurant where you can get an authentic locally prepared pizza with fresh ingredients. Sure it might be shit and you won't go back but those guys don't last and  every now and you come across or are recommended something that tastes amazing and you know it.
For a country that excels in quality food production from quality ingredients that's where craft beer is heading for me and taste does cost.

[Beerbuddha]

I'm not missing any point. I have been in this forum long enough to notice the BS.

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Re: Off flavours in commercial beers?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 08:32:54 PM »
QuoteThank You
Lads in the interests of fairness and liability should we name names?
I spose a statement of fact is ok Thomas.


I'm guessing as it's Diageo CH your rule doesn't count but again....same stuff from same people around bad craft beers. But I enjoy how THE BOYS rally around defending each other and there brands.


And so it goes on post after post

[CH]

I'm not missing any point. I have been in this forum long enough to notice the BS.

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Re: Off flavours in commercial beers?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 08:32:54 PM »
QuoteThank You
Lads in the interests of fairness and liability should we name names?
I spose a statement of fact is ok Thomas.


I'm guessing as it's Diageo CH your rule doesn't count but again....same stuff from same people around bad craft beers. But I enjoy how THE BOYS rally around defending each other and there brands.


And so it goes on post after post

Why are you quoting the number of posts I have posted what thats got to do with the topic?

The discussion in the other thread was referring to flaws in Irish Craft Beer, Diageo are not craft beer brewers.
At no point has anybody said there is a flaw in G, please don't mix up product quality and flaws.

If you don't like folks having a discussion about the product quality of G, maybe this thread discussion isn't for you?

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

The reason I stopped commenting on this forum a while back was because I had to defend Heineken, of all from people from allegations, created by craft nazis that they were using preservatives in their beer, and unfortunately without any support from the forum administrators. Total Horseshit, but promoted by the macro haters here, who just love to believe it was true. But real people, being paid real salary's livelihood's depended on a fair playing field , (macros pay their employees commensurate salieries by the way, a lesson still unfortunately to be learned by the micros, - we know nothing but you can learn from us on minimus wage) so here we go again, why has this club allowed the Beoirites back in? Beoir have an anti-macro agenda, that is, until it comes to prostituting themselves and their 'principles' for free beer in the Open Gate.
Either all brewers are fair game here, or none are, simple as....
No more tiptoeing around the craft brewers selling shit for top dollar, I've given up on the Irish craft beer lottery and I haven't the time or energy to follow the latest fashion trends on twitter, to find out what to buy.
I brew my own beer, without the need to waste money trying shit. (again a reminder, that's what this club is doing aquímoney has been wasted yet again.
One more question, why are people who allegedly 'Boycott' Diageo equipment facilitated in being allowed to sell stolen Diageo products on this website?

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[CH]

Not sure I agree with all your sentiments about Beoir, I do know that the three of us that commented aren't even Beoir members.
Ironically I would say Beoir are probably closer to Macro Beer than NHC members but that's a discussion for a different forum.
I can't speak for the others but I personally have only ever received 3 year old hops for a competition the marketing arm of Diageo was running.

Kegs on here which I believe is what you were referring to in the main are old school now and have pretty much been replaced by single vessel or thermopots. I see more on building sites or these days than in homebrew sheds but your point is valid, not sure why keg tracing system was never realised in this market.

Some of the bashing you refer to I suspect comes from how the Macros conduct themselves in the commercial world and how they attempt to crush and or restrict Micro beer producers across the market.

The fact remains that 65 former homebrewers have gone Pro or involved in the craft industry, a lot of them were on this forum at one point.
So sure of course we are going to be pro Micro!
This is our turf, Micro breeding ground  if you will and what the NHC has received from Micros in support of everything we do including information sharing reflects that and vastly outweighs anything received from all the Macros. I know there were others here I didn't agree with that asked Macros for support but were turned down.
Diageo have used the NHC for their own advantage including that now grating Smithwicks advert. 
Micros keep pushing the boundaries and in the over 100 breweries in the market, there are probably 3-400 new beers every year.
As flagged in the other thread they don't get them right all of the time, ironically those breweries that produce flawed product in the main were never homebrewers. They keep trying and we and our relatives and our friends keep buying.
There's about 50 beers I would walk across the street for and buy at the moment.

But back on topic being the market leader in any industry will always put you up for scrutiny and review. Dempsey and I were stating that we felt the overall product quality has changed.
However closely anyone on here is connected to Diageo or any other Macro, there's not point in falling out over it we are all only here to brew and share a beer.

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

That's fine but you haven't addressed the censorship of criticising Irish craft beers, only macro bashing is tolerated, I refer to Beer Buddhas pasted article above, let's not name anyone wink wink in case we upset anyone, but within the same article Brewdog are fair game, as I stated either all brewers are fair game or none are. My understanding is this is not a political organisation like Beoir, merely a homebrew club simple enough as far as I can see.
Regarding my second point, rule 2 in the 'For Sale' rules states, it must be legal, whether plasterers, or builders etc used to steal kegs or not doesn't make it acceptable to facilitate the sale of stolen goods, regardless of what brewery they are stolen from and the ad is still live on this site


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[mick02]

If there is a post that is breaking forum rules then please hit the report button and we'll take a look at it. If it is in breach of NHC rules it will be dealt with according to the rules and regulations set out by the club.

[Beerbuddha]

And so the posts go on and on and on.

This forum has lost its way and sold out.

Where is integrity...morals....savings for members and advice for homebrewers.

I predict the usual response when anyone offers an opinion other than that of the higher archy who control membership funds.........offer your time...make the change ect.

RIP NHC long live BEOIR

[CH]

You are sitting there ranting throwing rocks in a totally negative fashion, making all sorts of flaming trolling throw away comments about the NHC, have you nothing to contribute on the op?

[Partridge9]

Not quite sure what its all about..

i think the NHC has done a great job, the seeds were planted and the local clubs grew!

Feel free to express an opinion - not sure what the complaint is - or if there is one.

[Bazza]

And so the posts go on and on and on.

That's how a forum is supposed to work, so this is a positive comment. Good.

This forum has lost its way and sold out.

'Guinness doesn't taste like it used to.'
'I agree.'
'I don't '
'I respect our difference of opinion.'
'Me too.'
'Kill them all!!'
'Eh?'

Where is integrity...morals....savings for members and advice for homebrewers.

Still here for you, man. Check out the membership affiliates thread.

I predict the usual response when anyone offers an opinion other than that of the higher archy who control membership funds.........offer your time...make the change ect.

Ooooooh. Badly played, sir.
(Is that enough righteous indignation for you, Nostradamus?)

RIP NHC long live BEOIR

I'll plan for the wake while BEOIR peruse your CV.

[cruiscinlan]

Regarding my second point, rule 2 in the 'For Sale' rules states, it must be legal, whether plasterers, or builders etc used to steal kegs or not doesn't make it acceptable to facilitate the sale of stolen goods, regardless of what brewery they are stolen from and the ad is still live on this site


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Are we going to take down all the corny keg ads, and affiliate threads offering these?  All are marked property of Britvic or Cantwell & Cochrane.