Hello all,
I was unsure where to put this so mods please put it where you'd like. I've found a job lot of whole grain at a significant reduction,
30 x 25kg whole pale malt maris otter blend
13 x 25kg whole wheat munich malt
9 x 25kg whole crystal malt
Price would be under half that of retail. Story is was delivered in error to a farmer instead of brewers grain and he wants rid of it, he's based in Co. Cork.
I'm happy to drive down and pick it up, but I'd need a van to do so and a club member with said van and who would lend a hand. Is anyone interested?
Why did the farmer need a ton of brewer's grain?
What part of co cork. One of us rebels could store it for a few days from purchase to collection if there's a rush.
I'll take a bag of marris otter. start a provisional list?
1 - LordEoin - 1 X Marris Otter
I don't need malt but I can act as a rendezvous if required.
Just bumped a link onto the NCB site. I know a few "productive" brewers are again looking for grains.
As an aside; What are the criteria for successful long term storage of malted WHOLE grains?
Quote from: cruiscinlan on August 29, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
13 x 25kg whole wheat munich malt
I'm curious what this is. Is it munich malt or wheat malt?
i would be intrested in a bag of maris otter but dont have any transport
I'm tempted, but with little storage
1 - LordEoin - 1 X Marris Otter
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
Quote from: LordEoin on August 29, 2014, 10:22:29 PM
Why did the farmer need a ton of brewer's grain?
What part of co cork. One of us rebels could store it for a few days from purchase to collection if there's a rush.
I'll take a bag of marris otter. start a provisional list?
1 - LordEoin - 1 X Marris Otter
Brewers grain is what farmers call the mash or waste grain that is left after brewing and is sold to them as feed. As to why he needed a ton of it, he may have a large herd, I don't know more than that. I have asked for photos of the bags to identify producers. As far as I know he has the grain no longer than 2 months. He's based in Glanmire, Co. Cork
Also lads, I know I'm new here, I'm getting into homebrewing all grain myself, but fully admit that no more than anyone here without going there and checking it out I can't make any statement of fact on the stuff itself. Beag nó mór. I'll upload photos if I get them.
Would an interested Cork member take the trek out to Glanmire? If other capital i.e. Dublin or surrounding area members were interested I could get quotes for pallet collection from Cork to Dublin.
At the price its offered at it would be a shame to let it go.
1 - LordEoin - 1 X Marris Otter
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
I'd be on for a bag of MO I I could get it the upper side of the border.
Actually, I'd take 2 bags of MO.
-Barry
I would take 2 bags of MO.
I wouldn't mind some crystal but would only want about 5kg, if people wanted to split.
Barry I could get your grain as far as Dundalk, if that would be any help.
1 - LordEoin - 1 X Marris Otter
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
Quote from: cruiscinlan on August 30, 2014, 01:15:19 AMBrewers grain is what farmers call the mash or waste grain that is left after brewing and is sold to them as feed.
never knew that, thanks :) So the waste grain goes off and gets dried out again?
1 - LordEoin - 1 X MO
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
Total: 9MO, 1MN, 3CR
Remaining: 21MO, 12CR, 6CR
I'll take a bag of crystal. If it helps ye can use my place as a drop off for any lads down south if ye can get it to Dungarvan by van. ;D
1 - LordEoin - 1 X MO
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
6 Greg2013 1 x Crystal
Total: 9MO, 1MN, 4CR
Remaining: 21MO, 12CR, 5CR
what is the price per bag ?. Im about to get into all grain biab so might as well jump in with both feet.
Quote from: hopapotamus on August 30, 2014, 12:09:16 PM
what is the price per bag ?. Im about to get into all grain biab so might as well jump in with both feet.
E10/25kg bag.
In that case I'll add some more
1 - LordEoin - 2 X MO, 1 X Munich
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
6 - Greg2013 1 x Crystal
Total: 11MO, 2MN, 4CR
Remaining: 19MO, 11MN, 5CR
Quote from: Will_D on August 29, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
As an aside; What are the criteria for successful long term storage of malted WHOLE grains?
I asked a similar question when collecting grain from MCI. If you can store it in an air tight drum, at a coolish temperature, it should last for years.
Quote from: LordEoin on August 30, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
In that case I'll add some more
1 - LordEoin - 2 X MO, 1 X Munich
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
6 - Greg2013 1 x Crystal
7 - Hopapotamus 2 x MO ,1 x Munich
not sure what crystal is used for ......hints?
Total: 11MO, 2MN, 4CR
Remaining: 19MO, 11MN, 5CR
Quote from: mr hoppy on August 29, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on August 29, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
13 x 25kg whole wheat munich malt
I'm curious what this is. Is it munich malt or wheat malt?
I'm operating on what the farmer has told me, hopefully I'll get photos of the bags today with more detail. I thought munich malt was always wheat though?
Quote from: LordEoin on August 29, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
So the waste grain goes off and gets dried out again?
It's one of the byproducts of the distilling and brewing trade and there's a huge agri-feed aftermarket in what's called moist animal feed, brewers' grain, distillers' grain, brewers' yeast for cattle farming.
On the transport/delivery front I have priced pallet collection and delivery for 500kg at E42.84 ex-VAT from Co. Cork to Dublin 9. Were we to go down that route we'd have to figure out how to get payment in advance to the farmer and would have no opportunity to view the stock. Also we would have to verify he has a pallet on hand or get an extra quote for pallet and wrapping from the courier. The farmer himself would drive to Dublin if we took the lot, if given a consideration for diesel, wear and tear and tolls.
I don't have a problem holding it for a few days but I'd probably be sleeping on top of it near the ceiling at that rate, would other members have more storage space? I'd be willing to be on hand in Dublin, possibly with a mate to unload and stack the bags.
I would be interested in taking a bag of each please
1 - LordEoin - 2 X MO, 1 X Munich
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
6 - Greg2013 1 x Crystal
7 - Hopapotamus 2 x MO ,1 x Munich
8 - Dube - 2 Xmunich, 1 X crystal
9 - groom - 1 X MO, 1 X Munich, 1 X Crystal
13 MO, 6 MN, 4 CR
Quote from: LordEoin on August 30, 2014, 08:48:09 PM
1 - LordEoin - 2 X MO, 1 X Munich
2 - Cahalbrua 1 x MO, 1 x Munich
3 - Cruiscinlan 3 x MO 3 x Crystal
4 - Bazza 2 x MO
5 - Cronan 2 x MO
6 - Greg2013 1 x Crystal
7 - Hopapotamus 2 x MO ,1 x Munich
8 - Dube - 2 Xmunich, 1 X crystal
9 - groom - 1 X MO, 1 X Munich, 1 X Crystal
10- barkar 1x mo 1x Munich 1x crystal
12 MO, 5 mm 3cr
Out in Galway but have transport
Ok folks, here are a couple of scenarios:
A) There is a possibility that I can get down to Glanmire either Sunday (tomorrow) or Monday and pick up what has been requested so far and drive it up to Dublin to a pre-arranged drop-off point.
Regarding transportation, the cost of diesel & tolls will have to be factored into the cost of the bags, given 80L of diesel would prob be E112/28 bags would be an extra E4/bag. 80L diesel is quoted there as I am in Galway at present and would be driving down to Cork, then onto Dublin which is 526km, plus my friend whose car I would be using would expect a bit of diesel to help him on his way back to Galway i.e. another 220km so 746k in total. [we'd be doing well to do it on that amount too]
B) That price exceeds the E100 quoted by the farmer himself to come up to Dublin, but in that case a meet point must be designated and members there to make payment and distribute. It also gives no opportunity to inspect the grain and see what its like.
Who here can store the members grain for distribution? Can the mods/members who've participated let me know how payment works for group buys here?
I thought Munich malt was made from Barley? Please correct me if I'm wrong but clearly Wheat Malt and Munich Malt are not the same thing.
** EDIT ** OK guys, I am based in Cork, I called the farmer and plan to meet him tonight. He told me he has Wheat malt AND Munich (also Maris Otter). Assuming he has no objections I will take some pictures and post them up here. Again assuming there are no objections from here I'll probably take 2 bags of wheat and 1 Maris Otter. I'll confirm what I have taken this evening.
Would take 1 bag MO,1 bag Munich and I bag of cyrstal
I went to the farm tonight and picked up 1 x MO and 1 x Wheat. The farmer was easy to deal with and had no problem with me looking at the stock or taking pictures. Unfortunately I didn't open the bags until I got home. The wheat was clean, crunchy and delicious. However the Maris Otter was not just rancid, it looked more like compost than grain. I suspect the bag was exposed to rain or something. I quickly removed it from my home and called him, he had no problem with me coming back during the week for a replacement. Looking back there were a couple of tell tale signs, a small amount of tiny creatures crawling on the bag, the bag seemed more full than the wheat (swollen due to moisture), the bag was also a little dirty.
Another thing to note is the manufacture & expiry dates are printed on the bags. They seem to vary between expiring Sep 2014 and Feb 15. I took some pictures which can be seen here https://www.dropbox.com/sc/10xf1s04ao2c6ot/AAB-3aotMULjykKvDnjJLpR-a
(https://www.dropbox.com/sc/10xf1s04ao2c6ot/AAB-3aotMULjykKvDnjJLpR-a)
The lads are up North cannot afford to have dud malt shipped.
Have we any way of checking the condition?
Is this stuff just sitting in a farm shed?
What were the tiny creatures? bugs or rats?
Do you recognise any here?...
http://www.hgca.com/media/190528/p01_insects_and_mites_-updated_2010-small.pdf
From memory I couldn't be sure of the exact species maybe some kind of beetle. I can take a picture tomorrow presumably there's plenty in the bag which is currently sitting in my bottle wheelie bin outside. As the wheat looks so good in comparison I suspect the bag went off due to moisture rather than being attacked. Unless perhaps the barley grain is more attractive to them than the wheat grain.
The bags are stored in a farm shed as pictured.
BTW The spec can be found here http://www.muntons-inc.com/craft-brewery-products/ (http://www.muntons-inc.com/craft-brewery-products/)
Also added 2 more pictures showing the label on the wheat bag and showing the grain. I'm finding tasting it a little addictive which must be a good sign :)
swolen compost shed floor bug grain doesn't sound so good, so at this stage I'm backing out.
I have tbh given the pics of how these are being stored and the condition of that swollen bag and the bug question i am also backing out at this stage, i don't think given what we know now that these grains are even suitable for brewing at this stage. ;D
Are they suitable for animals at this stage?
Thanks to all for investigating. It could've be great.
I have updated the link with 4 additional pictures showing the state of the MO in the cold light of day, pretty horrible stuff. I can't stress how much of a difference there is between this and the wheat which has zero sign of visitors and it is as crunchy and tasty as granola. I'll send an update once I go back (likely either today or tomorrow) and if I take another bag I'll post pictures and a taste report!
Quote from: hefeman on September 01, 2014, 10:36:32 AM
I have updated the link with 4 additional pictures showing the state of the MO in the cold light of day, pretty horrible stuff. I can't stress how much of a difference there is between this and the wheat which has zero sign of visitors and it is as crunchy and tasty as granola. I'll send an update once I go back (likely either today or tomorrow) and if I take another bag I'll post pictures and a taste report!
Fair dues for trying anyway buddy,pity as it could have been great. ;D
Hi again,
I dropped out at lunchtime and swapped out the Moris Otter bag for a clean one. This one looks/smells good and is nice and crispy. The interesting thing is that the bad bags have many tiny flies roaming around but the clean ones have absolutely none. I had a quick look around and I'd estimate somewhere between 20-50% of the stock is infected. You'd need to examine and open each bag individually to get a more accurate estimate. The sporadic infection pattern makes me inclined to think that some bags were left out in the rain and those are rotting and attracting flies. So to me it looks like it isn't due to a grain beetle feeding it's way through the stock.
I added one more picture to the same link showing the MO grains.
Quote from: Greg2013 on September 01, 2014, 02:45:42 AM
I have tbh given the pics of how these are being stored and the condition of that swollen bag and the bug question i am also backing out at this stage, i don't think given what we know now that these grains are even suitable for brewing at this stage. ;D
Well you pays your money and you takes your choice, I've a mate in Cork calling over and I've told him to open all the bags to check the grain. I'll let ye know how we get on.
Aside from that is there interest in arranging a group buy from MCI? From their website at 40 bags you get it at €15/25kg ex-VAT and delivery which would be €55 ex-VAT for a pallet delivery to Ireland.
€15/bag for 40 bags = €600/ton which seems to be a good price as its close to the wholesale price for loose grain afaik.
Quote from: Greg2013 on September 01, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Fair dues for trying anyway buddy,pity as it could have been great. ;D
I know you said you weren't interested but I was talking to mate there who has picked up 15 bags of grain. He's said its easily identifiable which bags are bad as they're sort of mushy and if you've any doubts you can slice them open and check. As as you're in the Dungarven area it'd be well worth your while to travel into Cork and check.
The farmer himself has about 30 bags left and will throw it out if he can't get any takers for it, it'd be a shame for a third of a ton to be chucked for the sake of a few bad bags.
Where is yer man based?
After rebagging 2 x 25kg bags I am happy to report that the grain appears to be in excellent quality throughout and there wasn't a single bug in either bag. I agree with what cruiscinlan says, the bad bags are easily identifiable - look for little flies walking all over the bag and dirty stitching on the inside (the thread that you cut to open the bag). If I had more of a drinking problem I would go back for more tomorrow ;D
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 01, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on September 01, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Fair dues for trying anyway buddy,pity as it could have been great. ;D
I know you said you weren't interested but I was talking to mate there who has picked up 15 bags of grain. He's said its easily identifiable which bags are bad as they're sort of mushy and if you've any doubts you can slice them open and check. As as you're in the Dungarven area it'd be well worth your while to travel into Cork and check.
The farmer himself has about 30 bags left and will throw it out if he can't get any takers for it, it'd be a shame for a third of a ton to be chucked for the sake of a few bad bags.
Is there definitely Crystal Malt there as i cant see any pics of that ? Did the farmer settle on a final price per bag ?
Quote from: johnrm on September 01, 2014, 09:01:50 PM
Where is yer man based?
I'm not sure if I should give his precise location on the forum but he is 2-3 mins from Glanmire Village.
I pass twice daily.
PM details, I'll give him a bell.
Quote from: Greg2013 on September 01, 2014, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 01, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on September 01, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Fair dues for trying anyway buddy,pity as it could have been great. ;D
I know you said you weren't interested but I was talking to mate there who has picked up 15 bags of grain. He's said its easily identifiable which bags are bad as they're sort of mushy and if you've any doubts you can slice them open and check. As as you're in the Dungarven area it'd be well worth your while to travel into Cork and check.
The farmer himself has about 30 bags left and will throw it out if he can't get any takers for it, it'd be a shame for a third of a ton to be chucked for the sake of a few bad bags.
Is there definitely crystal malt there as i have not seen it in any of the pics ? Sorry about the repeat post,fecked up last one and can't delete it now. What price did the farmer settle on per bag ? ;D
Hi, I think there was Crystal but I can't be certain I'm afraid. I paid 10 euro a bag.
Sherlock Holmes here:
This really sounds like someone in a brewery Eff'd up major:
Either the farmer was ordering spent grains in repacked in original malt bags (have seen this in numerous small brweries) and some gombeen put in a load of fresh malt by mistake
or the famrmer was ordering fresh malt (unlikely unless he's a mega home brewer) and the said gombeen threw in some bags of spent grain.
Err, Obvious question: Ask the farmer WHAT he ordered!!
Only interested in the Crystal malt if it's there, would need to know that before making the trip. ;D
I'm visiting tomorrow.
Quote from: Will_D on September 01, 2014, 11:00:08 PM
[/color] Ask the farmer WHAT he ordered!!
That was my reading of the situation as well. The farmer had only ordered brewers grain as cattle feed, and so did not know what to do with it when it arrived, had it dropped off by a fella he buys from regularly and did not notice the difference until he went to use it.
Greg2013, you'll have to rely on johnrm to inform you on whats left there now. There's a good chance he has it as he has over 30 bags left.
Quote from: johnrm on September 01, 2014, 11:22:22 PM
I'm visiting tomorrow.
Cheers John let us know especially if there is any crystal left and what general condition the grain is in, i might get a bag of the munich too if tis in good enough nic. ;D
Tomorrow isn't over yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4kzGhDEURA
It looked all right, I picked up a bag of each.
The Crystal looked a bit damp on the bottom, haven't opened it yet, worst case I'll decant out to a bucket and dump anything that looks off.
Yer man said to come back and need replace any that were bad.
I would have taken more MO but I've limited storage. I need to do bigger favors for Billy!
Hello guys
I'd be interested in two bags of 25kg whole pale malt maris otter blend. But I am based in Dublin and can't drive... If anybody is getting some up, I'd be interested!
Just a little question, my room is around 60% humidity, would the whole malt last two months in there as long as I don't put it through the grain mill?.. ???
Thanks
I grabbed some bags with John. The wheat and munich were fine but the marris otter had clumped moldy patches.
I dumped about 5kg of MO in total so far, might dump the rest.
HBC have 25kg bags of pale malt for €25 at the moment. I'd play it safe and get this instead.
This is all very pot luck so a risk to people who are not local as there is a cost in shipping.
After what LE has reported about the MO, I'm going to err on the side of caution and pull out. Sorry, but I hope you understand.
Thanks everyone for all the to-ing and fro-ing and for all the communications.
Maybe next time.
Cheers,
-Barry
Quote from: johnrm on September 03, 2014, 10:48:02 AM
This is all very pot luck
totally. That bag looked perfect from the outside.
Quote from: johnrm on September 03, 2014, 10:48:02 AM
This is all very pot luck so a risk to people who are not local as there is a cost in shipping.
Aye very true. I've finally got hold of what I had brought up and although it all looks fine at present, I'm going to go through each bag over the next couple of days. I'll empty them out in a big tub to check for mold or grain beetles and then rebag them and sew them up again. Although it seems to be mostly the Maris Otter blend bags that have caused problems so far the one I opened tonight was fine. Biscuity smell off it, and the grains I tasted were all firm.
I picked up one of each.
MO perfect
Wheat perfect
Munich perfect
Crystal - some small clumps and mold - bottom of bag was wet and has since dried.
Pot luck
Bagged grain
(http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s592/mactire3/2014-09-04123339_zpsd19aa77c.jpg~original)
Pale malt spread on a sheet to check for damp etc.:
(http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s592/mactire3/2014-09-04123323_zpsaf0d6221.jpg~original)
As you can see that stuff is fine, out of the 15 bags myself and my mate got just one had to be discarded, which is a fair return given the price of E120 for the lot. The malt has varying expiry dates some for Sept 2014 and others for Feb/March 2015.
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 03, 2014, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: johnrm on September 03, 2014, 10:48:02 AM
This is all very pot luck so a risk to people who are not local as there is a cost in shipping.
Aye very true. I've finally got hold of what I had brought up and although it all looks fine at present, I'm going to go through each bag over the next couple of days. I'll empty them out in a big tub to check for mold or grain beetles and then rebag them and sew them up again. Although it seems to be mostly the Maris Otter blend bags that have caused problems so far the one I opened tonight was fine. Biscuity smell off it, and the grains I tasted were all firm.
Hi all, I have read on other forums about a bad batch of Maris Otter, it could be unrelated. Looks like great stuff for an excellent price.
Quote from: jonziepoo on September 05, 2014, 10:04:16 AM
Hi all, I have read on other forums about a bad batch of Maris Otter, it could be unrelated. Looks like great stuff for an excellent price.
Ah right hadn't heard about that. Having spoken to the farmer, he just didn't realise what he had and although some of the bags are bad it would be a real pity to let a third of a ton of grain be thrown out. For the price it should be of interest to Cork/Waterford based members or those who travel that way.
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 04, 2014, 02:37:25 PM
Pale malt spread on a sheet to check for damp etc.:
That last pic looks like a massive BIAB brew :P
Quote from: Garry on September 05, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
That last pic looks like a massive BIAB brew :P
Believe me that thought had crossed my mind! Got a 2nd hand 70L pot there on ebay there for £40 so the grain set-up is gathering steam. Now to track down a tap and fitting to be welded into it.
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 05, 2014, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: Garry on September 05, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
That last pic looks like a massive BIAB brew :P
Believe me that thought had crossed my mind! Got a 2nd hand 70L pot there on ebay there for £40 so the grain set-up is gathering steam. Now to track down a tap and fitting to be welded into it.
Not to go off topic but can you weld? If not you can use compression fittings and a weldless bulk head.
Shanna
Hi there
just wondering is there any mo left would be interested in 2 bags
regards
sittingbull
Ok what's the process to go about getting some of this ? Worse case the chickens and ducks will eat well ;D, at that price its about the same as chicken feed anyway if it comes to that. Anyway i need to order crystal pronto for some upcoming brews so sooner i get to see this batch the better, i have the storage to keep it if anyone else wants to travel pm me i will be leaving from Dungarvan. ;D
Quote from: Shanna on September 05, 2014, 07:47:35 PM
Not to go off topic but can you weld? If not you can use compression fittings and a weldless bulk head.
Shanna
I'm going to get a mate of mine to weld on a bulkhead as he's handy enough at it (or so I'm led to believe). There's three of us combining forces on this project so between three lads we should probably manage one working set-up :P
Greg2013 make sure you ring the farmer first in case he's thrown out the remainder of the grain.