Group buys vs members

[delzep]

There's a For Sale section here too

We wouldn't be thinking of charging €10 if there wasn't a tangible benefit.

That was where my question about the tenner on Beoir came from....I couldn't see where it went and what it was used for

[delzep]

So I get a trophy and half price membership for entering the competition? 8-)

[Hop Bomb]

Savings Ive made on Group Buys so far:

20.00 euro on 3 litre conical flask (i still owe MAF actually)
19.74 euro on pale Irish malt
28.50 euro on hops

Total savings: 68.24 euro from just three group buys.

That does not include any postage Id incur buying from a home brew store so Im actually saving more. Plus you get to meet other brewers along the NHC express route.

Thats some bang for your annual membership buck!

[Ciderhead]

Have you worked in planning in local government before 


To me its all duck or no dinner. No terms and conditions just 20 Snots,10 for access to all sections to website and to please please please fund a new forum, this one we have outgrown(me being kind), 10 to participate in group buys, simples!
Please put a poll up thanks

[Padraic]

Savings Ive made on Group Buys so far:

20.00 euro on 3 litre conical flask (i still owe MAF actually)
19.74 euro on pale Irish malt
28.50 euro on hops

Total savings: 68.24 euro from just three group buys.

That does not include any postage Id incur buying from a home brew store so Im actually saving more. Plus you get to meet other brewers along the NHC express route.

Thats some bang for your annual membership buck!

And indeed if you were only involved in one of those group buys you would have profited by at least 9.74!!

[MrChalky]

It's looking like the group buys vs members will work as follows: a paid member for 30 days with at least one non-group buy related post before you can participate as a member. Group buys start in the non-public group buy area (sort of like Reserved Group Buys is now) and stay there unless they are under subscribed in which case they will be moved to Public Group Buy area where everyone can participate. Non-members will have to pay €2 or 10% extra, which ever is greater. Non-members will always take 2nd place to members.

Sounds good to me

[Partridge9]

I have to say - not completely enamored with non-members participating at all in the group buys

- but surely we can leave all these discussions till after the competition.

Its shaping up to be a great day  - but still plenty to do !

[Hop Bomb]

I agree. Where is the incentive to pay your annual membership then if you can just pay an extra 2 euro or 10% on the group buy total? You pretty much have the same access to group buys as the person who payed their annual sub to support the club. You cant have it every way.

Thats like golf green fees having the same playing rights as full paying members in a golf club (sorry to bring it back to that again but both are very similar in structure) It wouldnt happen in a million years. Pay your sub & get full access. 

[newToBrew]

like Tube says the Group buys are usually oversubscribed - so I guess in practice a GB would rarely be offered to non members to participate

so as regards the don't pay the members fee - just pay the non member rate - they are not getting the same access to GB's as members - rather waiting in the wings in the hope a GB is not oversubscribed

What are green fees as opposed to membership in a golf club ? - you get to play if none of the members are using it ? ( not being smart - I really have no idea )

[Hop Bomb]

If group buys are over subscribed right now then why even bother allowing non paying members to have access? Its far easier to just have only paying members have access. At least that way its a clear incentive to pay your annual membership & support the club. A line in the sand if you will. Support the club -> get access to group buys. Dont support the club -> post & browse on the forum but no vote, no group buy no nothing.

[Eoin]

If group buys are over subscribed right now then why even bother allowing non paying members to have access? Its far easier to just have only paying members have access. At least that way its a clear incentive to pay your annual membership & support the club. A line in the sand if you will. Support the club -> get access to group buys. Dont support the club -> post & browse on the forum but no vote, no group buy no nothing.

That's a very insular approach, as it stands with the proposed model it would benefit the group where numbers need to be made up, otherwise it's members only, don't see the problem meself.

[newToBrew]

.....get access to group buys. Dont support the club -> post & browse on the forum but no vote, no group buy no nothing.

I'm not sure what you mean by access -
(a) Don't get to see there is a group buy happening ?
Or
(b)Do not get invited to paticipate?

as far as I understand non members would have no vote

and then only have "access"/participation invites in the unlikely event that the Group Buy was Under Subscribed -
i.e. the GB actually needed the participation of a few more people in order for it to go ahead

so in a way it is like a little bit of "insurance"  when running a group buy knowing that if the members don't fill it - there are other options than dropping it ?

[Ciderhead]

If group buys are over subscribed right now then why even bother allowing non paying members to have access? Its far easier to just have only paying members have access. At least that way its a clear incentive to pay your annual membership & support the club. A line in the sand if you will. Support the club -> get access to group buys. Dont support the club -> post & browse on the forum but no vote, no group buy no nothing.

And what if we need 20 to do a buy, but only 15 members are interested?

"Group Buys are always oversubscribed"

[Hop Bomb]

The fact that group buys have been over subscribed makes the whole undersubscribed group buy offer to non paying members a bit of a moot point. 

Id use GBs as an incentive for people to pay their annual sub.

[ColinC]

It's looking like the group buys vs members will work as follows: a paid member for 30 days with at least one non-group buy related post before you can participate as a member. Group buys start in the non-public group buy area (sort of like Reserved Group Buys is now) and stay there unless they are under subscribed in which case they will be moved to Public Group Buy area where everyone can participate. Non-members will have to pay €2 or 10% extra, which ever is greater. Non-members will always take 2nd place to members.

This seems spot on to me.