Diageo I'm not a frog

[mick02]

Regarding my second point, rule 2 in the 'For Sale' rules states, it must be legal, whether plasterers, or builders etc used to steal kegs or not doesn't make it acceptable to facilitate the sale of stolen goods, regardless of what brewery they are stolen from and the ad is still live on this site


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Are we going to take down all the corny keg ads, and affiliate threads offering these?  All are marked property of Britvic or Cantwell & Cochrane.

If the ads are reported by any of our members we will look into each report on a case by case basis.

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

Regarding my second point, rule 2 in the 'For Sale' rules states, it must be legal, whether plasterers, or builders etc used to steal kegs or not doesn't make it acceptable to facilitate the sale of stolen goods, regardless of what brewery they are stolen from and the ad is still live on this site


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Are we going to take down all the corny keg ads, and affiliate threads offering these?  All are marked property of Britvic or Cantwell & Cochrane.

The cornies are sold legitately, the kegs in question were stolen, big difference, my issue is with the tolerance of a political undercurrent on the forum, whereby craft beer breweries are protected from criticism but everything else is fair game, if those kegs were from a craft brewery with a bit of tape thinly disguising the legitimate owner, then the ad would have been removed long ago,
Dempsey is entitled to his opinion, but you can't have it only one way, people need to be able to criticise, name and shame craft brewers in the same light,

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[Simon_]

Have you had a post critising a craft brewery removed or censored?
I've never been aware of that happening on the forum if it has.

[Boycott]

Regarding my second point, rule 2 in the 'For Sale' rules states, it must be legal, whether plasterers, or builders etc used to steal kegs or not doesn't make it acceptable to facilitate the sale of stolen goods, regardless of what brewery they are stolen from and the ad is still live on this site


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Are we going to take down all the corny keg ads, and affiliate threads offering these?  All are marked property of Britvic or Cantwell & Cochrane.

The cornies are sold legitately, the kegs in question were stolen, big difference, my issue is with the tolerance of a political undercurrent on the forum, whereby craft beer breweries are protected from criticism but everything else is fair game, if those kegs were from a craft brewery with a bit of tape thinly disguising the legitimate owner, then the ad would have been removed long ago,
Dempsey is entitled to his opinion, but you can't have it only one way, people need to be able to criticise, name and shame craft brewers in the same light,

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How the [easy now] do you know the kegs are stolen? Just because someone sticks their name on something doesn't mean its their property for infinity. A keg is the same as a phone, a chair or anything else that can be for sale. Things can be sold to others. You are just speculating that it is stolen.

[Beerbuddha]

If anyone feels kegs have been removed from a licensed premises or indeed vandalized they should contact these people with information.

https://www.kegwatch.co.uk/

As far as i know unless you have written authority to take over ownership of a keg its theft. Obliviously not usually a issue unless its vandalized to a state that it cannot be used again for its purpose.

I'm sure if a copy of this letter is produced that will stop these terrible allegations. I have one myself  and it wasn't easy to get as you know yourself no doubt you have it and understand hassle to get one.

[Boycott]

If anyone feels kegs have been removed from a licensed premises or indeed vandalized they should contact these people with information.

https://www.kegwatch.co.uk/

As far as i know unless you have written authority to take over ownership of a keg its theft. Obliviously not usually a issue unless its vandalized to a state that it cannot be used again for its purpose.

I'm sure if a copy of this letter is produced that will stop these terrible allegations. I have one myself  and it wasn't easy to get as you know yourself no doubt you have it and understand hassle to get one.

That is informative but ultimately it is no different to any other item in the world, if its stolen it is stolen but without proof you don't know it was stolen. Why are unproven allegations allowed on the forum attacking another member? I would be banning SA for the alleging without any ounce of proof that a member is selling stolen goods!

[LordEoin]

I believe the keg advert was reported and removed. Problem solved.
It's usually a lot more effective to report a post than sit around throwing stones.

Back to the OP:
I agree, Guinness seems to have lost a bit of its charm. But I guess that must be what the masses want. Their job is to make as much money as possible by providing drinks that appeal to the most people. If the recipe changes a bit to accommodate that, so be it. Beamish is better anyway. Corcaigh Abú!
I still like Guinness more than most craft style stouts though. Too much unidentified weird stuff for me.

[CH]

Regarding my second point, rule 2 in the 'For Sale' rules states, it must be legal, whether plasterers, or builders etc used to steal kegs or not doesn't make it acceptable to facilitate the sale of stolen goods, regardless of what brewery they are stolen from and the ad is still live on this site


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Are we going to take down all the corny keg ads, and affiliate threads offering these?  All are marked property of Britvic or Cantwell & Cochrane.

The cornies are sold legitately, the kegs in question were stolen, big difference, my issue is with the tolerance of a political undercurrent on the forum, whereby craft beer breweries are protected from criticism but everything else is fair game, if those kegs were from a craft brewery with a bit of tape thinly disguising the legitimate owner, then the ad would have been removed long ago,
Dempsey is entitled to his opinion, but you can't have it only one way, people need to be able to criticise, name and shame craft brewers in the same light,

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There are 2 seperate issues here kegs and craft beer but they are being muddled up on the thread.

How precious Diageo are about kegs since you can't take them to recyclers anymore? There was a bar in North Dublin that switched to craft and asked Diageo on 4 seperate occasions over 3 months to come and collect and they didn't bother their arse, so I think in the end they were taken by a builder who drank there and they ended up on adverts.
I was talking to a famer over the weekend and he was telling me of another pal who sank 20 into cement as feeding stations for cows whilst they were being milked.
There was a bar in the south west that made lovely urinals from 3 shiny new craft kegs and posted pic on twitter with branding very obvious and the craft brewery sent them a bill.
With the cost of news kegs I'm surprised there isn't more punitive measures, maybe the macros are making too much money?
If anybody is selling kegs here with a black stripe around the middle and don't have legitimate provenance they they are breaking the law, I don't think anybody is disputing that.

On the topic of political its not an undercurrent as I have said above this is the NHC, we brew homebrewed beer we don't drink macro beer and are open about it, we support those who have come through our ranks, and slate them on whatsap if their beer is shite!
The difference being that for a micro 10 fellas saying in a 1000 craft drinker audience that a beer is shite, that would have massive commercial repercussions.
We bash Macro beer thats what we do! Why? On the basis that Macro are holding all the cards, the complete oligigopoly and stanglehold they have over the market and the way they conduct themselves commercially, granted some are much worse than others, yet craft only accounts for 5% of current beer volumes, but listening to the Macros you would think it was 50%. So personally I will always support choice and the underdog even if their product can sometimes be meah.

Looking at a related industry its interesting watching Jameson and their micro competitors, they are supporting them with base product and knowledge. Their rationale is that they want them to succeed with a quality product to preserve the quality in Irish whiskey and know that if their small competitors do well they will also be on the crest of that wave of growth instead of trying to defend market position and crush the small guy. Particularly important now as alcohol is being demonised and we will look back in 2050 like we do now on the smoking seventies and wonder wtf were we thinking swallowing toxins like alcohol.

Coming back to the op I think you missed the point that Dempsey was hankering for a good pint but was posting his frustration as to how far its slipped or the basis that he had them on a pedestal but is disappointed that they aren't the best anymore.

Haven't seen this much excitement in these parts for years, anyhow back to whatsap, I prefer Beamish myself these days when there is nothing else .

[TheSumOfAllBeers]

Coming back to the op I think you missed the point that Dempsey was hankering for a good pint but was posting his frustration as to how far its slipped or the basis that he had them on a pedestal but is disappointed that they aren't the best anymore.

Haven't seen this much excitement in these parts for years, anyhow back to whatsap, I prefer Beamish myself these days when there is nothing else .

The subject of sub par craft has come up before: https://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/the-beer-board/state-of-the-craft-beer-market-in-ireland/30/ - I think this was a fair thread.

When I drink in Ireland, I am usually far from any bar that stocks independent. Its important that the Macro options are decent and well priced even if they are unambitious. Declining Guinness isn't a big thumbs up for craft whatever, its a lack of incentive to go to the pub in the first place.

As others have commented, the craft session stouts havent bowled me over either. But I have a lot more appreciation for Beamish now.

Where I live in the UK, I can go crazy for craft whatever, being spoiled for choice. But almost every pub offers a reasonable choice of real ale, at least one decent lager option, decent sparkling cider, 'big-craft' like brewdog/meantime etc. Its very rare that you cant get at least one of those options. The options may not be world shattering, but you are in a pub to enjoy yourself, you shouldn't have to *tolerate* your drink options.

[DEMPSEY]

to quote from last post,
but you are in a pub to enjoy yourself, you shouldn't have to *tolerate* your drink options./move]

[Partridge9]

Very fancy !

[CH]

I think I need to introduce you to Gin Mr D, Craft Gin of course

[Tom]

I refute any allegation that, in 2050, I'll be looking back on alcohol like it's some sort of demon. Minister Shane Ross can go DO ONE.

I haven't noticed Guinness getting much crapper, but then, perhaps, I'm a frog. I've recently acquired some nitrogen-heavy mixed gas, and I've made the standard Guinness clone, using literally every skill I have in my repertoire to produce an excellent pint. I'll be testing it out on seasoned Guinness drinkers. I'm hoping they'll tell me that Guinness is, indeed, now an inferior pint.

Just adding more variables to the argument, is it getting crapper? Or is the standard of keeping it getting worse? The Guinness line-cleaner doesn't come around half as often as they used to (I'm told), and with more and more pubs being turned into manager-led, rather than skilled landlord led, it's likely we'll see a fall in quality. I'm using a wide brush here, forgive me.

I did a bit of looking into the idea of keeping a good pint of Guinness. A lot of it is marketing bull, the rest not. We all know about pressure/temp/beer line length in order to get the pint in good condition because we all love cornies, but there's so much crap out there about how often to service the lines, or how close the keg needs to be to the tap. So many drinkers (knowledgable ones, too), think that the keg beneath the tap makes the best pint, but in order to drop the pressure by 34PSI there's going to be the equivalent of 10' of 3/8" beer line, it's just going to be coiled up.

The main, fun things that I learned though, are about the appearance of Guinness (which is absolutely all Diageo care about, not its taste, which wasn't mentioned ONCE in all the literature they put up). If it has a brown head, not white, then the beer is old, or the lines dirty. If your glass has bubbles on it, it is literally filthy, and if the head is too small, then it's too cold, or too large, too warm. Or something. See pg 25 on the link below.

Another thing you'll notice, as well as the fact it's 50% about appearances, is that it's 50% about profit.

https://www.guinnesscelebrate.com/media/pdf/guinness_quality_brochure.pdf

After I read that, I have become very fussy about my Guinness. But then, one of the nicer pints I've had recently was brown and dirty. So what the fuck do I know? Hope I didn't stray too far off-topic.

[Tom]

And a post-script:

This is C&P'd from page 27 of that link, refering to the ritual of the two part pour, etc.

"A ritual to attract the herd".

They really respect the consumer.

[CH]

Dempsey paid the ultimate complement to G and gave me a G Clone about 2 years ago with acid malt in it for the twang, served on nitro it was a lovely full bodied silky smooth sessionable pint.

Fuck it that does it I'm brewing a stout next week