Shit Irish Breweries

[LordEoin]

i think €4.50 or €4.80. it's a bit hazy...

[Will_D]

Think its high time that we as consumers up the game a bit:

When we walk inito a bar ask "Where is the Price list (that you are legally required to display)" if its not clearly displayed.

If you are wanting to be ballsy and there is no "obvious/easy to find" price list displayed order a pint of what you know will be expensive and when the server says "here you are sir, a pint of XXXX for €7-50" tell him in no uncertain terms they are breaking the law and you will not pay for it. Just walk out

[IrishBeerSnob]

The Norseman and their new website is a perfect example of how it should be done. Even has links to Untappd and Ratebeer
They should follow that through though onto their blackboard as i got stung €6.50 for 8D Russian Imperial - for a half! 
Most of the craft bars have very clear prices displayed. Something their brethren should adopt.

Oh, 7 quid for a Brú jaysus!

[LordEoin]

I think it's in our culture to accept what's given to us.
I've been out with many foreigners and they have no problem in just handing a pint back when they're not happy with it, but we don't do that in general.
Most barmen really don't care and will happily give the money back with little more than a curious 'why?'
At the end of the day when the managers see that X amounts of pints went down the drain at their expense it would soon sort out the quality and prices.

[TheSumOfAllBeers]

I'm also annoyed with the fact that its cheaper for me to buy one of the big craft beers like Theakston, Shepherds Neame etc. than to buy a locally made beer, Galway Bay starts at €3.29, (€5.99 for Foam and Fury) and Independent from Carraroe has their range all at €2.99

Theakston, Shepherd Neame are large regional uk breweries, their economies of scale are similar to what macro breweries get. Their bottled premium ales regularly show up as 3 for £5 on supermarket shelves.

In the uk you would not consider them craft breweries either. It's a touchy subject, but Craft beer in the uk is often associated with Not Real Ale.

Some of the regionals are launching brewery in a brewery operations or crafting up in other ways to varying degrees of success.

In the uk craft has become a byword for premium too.

[hopapotamus]

went out for a few beers yesterday evening , mutton lane had a lovely pint of medazza for 4.20, recipie seems to have changed a little ,for the better , then up to the abbot ale house for 2 pints of fran well purgetory for €5,and then on to the bierhouse for a half of west kerry winter ale €2.50 and a half of white gypsy winter ale €2.50 ...so i guess not everyone is ripping people off , had to get the bus home so i missed the blacks imperial stout on cask .............but got home with 2 hairy goats and lit the fire .........

[Qs]

I think it's in our culture to accept what's given to us.
I've been out with many foreigners and they have no problem in just handing a pint back when they're not happy with it, but we don't do that in general.
Most barmen really don't care and will happily give the money back with little more than a curious 'why?'
At the end of the day when the managers see that X amounts of pints went down the drain at their expense it would soon sort out the quality and prices.

It's not just the pubs either. I visited that brewpub in Wicklow that had the falling out with the Beoir campers. They ran out of red ale and tried to sell us amber as red, despite the fact a lot of us were drinking amber anyway. Then the brewer tried to convince us it was a different batch and that why it was red or as malty. Absolute no pride in what he's doing out there. I quickly moved to drinking bottles of Kinsale instead.

[cruiscinlan]

If you are wanting to be ballsy and there is no "obvious/easy to find" price list displayed order a pint of what you know will be expensive and when the server says "here you are sir, a pint of XXXX for €7-50" tell him in no uncertain terms they are breaking the law and you will not pay for it. Just walk out

Trouble is it doesn't have to be very large or obvious it just has to be there.  Its normally in a 8" x 5" inside the door where you can't stand long to look at it!   

I would though, another real injustice is this thing of charging more than half price for a half a pint.  I think its a real kick in the teeth to those who have smaller livers generally (such as women into beer) or those who want to reduce their overall consumption.

u/TheSumOfAllBeers sure I agree with you on those beers as they are huge, but again a smaller operator won't have the huge overhead and other costs, isn't that why real ale is so cheap in the UK?  The small breweries don't do any of the advertising/marketing of the macros?

I wasn't aware there was a divergence between real ale and craft beer in the UK though, can anyone recommend something to read on it?

[Qs]

jeez, the Wicklow breweries are getting a bad rap! I thought that brewpub place had a German brewer who was supposed to be fairly good?

Thats the guy. The beer is ok, well made but pretty boring, very German. I was just shocked by his attitude though. There was a big party on at the time and I think he figured all those people wouldn't know the difference. Thing is we were also there, with 2 home brewers and a few others who know their beer.

[Qs]

I would though, another real injustice is this thing of charging more than half price for a half a pint.  I think its a real kick in the teeth to those who have smaller livers generally (such as women into beer) or those who want to reduce their overall consumption.

I don't agree on the half the price for half the beer argument. You don't sit on half a seat, cost half the insurance, have a half cleaned glass and get served by half a person.

[cruiscinlan]

I don't agree on the half the price for half the beer argument. You don't sit on half a seat, cost half the insurance, have a half cleaned glass and get served by half a person.

Fair enough but in a pub the differences in the base costs between the two are infintisemal, you might as well have drink minimums like in the US if thats a driving factor.

As far as I'm concerned it discrimates against responsible drinkers.

[irish_goat]

I don't agree on the half the price for half the beer argument. You don't sit on half a seat, cost half the insurance, have a half cleaned glass and get served by half a person.

Fair enough but in a pub the differences in the base costs between the two are infintisemal, you might as well have drink minimums like in the US if thats a driving factor.

As far as I'm concerned it discrimates against responsible drinkers.

It's standard business practice. A double espresso doesn't count twice as much in a cafe, a half sized sirloin steak isn't half as expensive in a restaurant. People supping half pints, generally, don't bring in as much money as people drinking full ones so the business has to up the price to make up for it.

[LordEoin]

serves them lady-folk right!

[hopapotamus]

ummmmm i had 2 half pints yesterday evening , at half the pint price ........in my defence i wanted to try both beers and was waiting for them to sort out the imperial stout cask .......both lovely beers btw and if i had time would have loved a pint of each , just got a call from the guy i was drinking with who went back for a "few" pints of the imperial stout bit bleary today on the phone but said it "was lovely alltogether"

[mr hoppy]

Double Irish was 3.25 in Bradley today.