Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 02:21:15 PM
Post by: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 02:21:15 PM
Folks, its Nationals time again!
The first leg will be in Lock 13 (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/competition/index.php), Sallins with the South Kildare Homebrewers hosting.
The second leg and BOS will take place in Alfie Byrne's, Dublin.
NHC full members only. (For membership and benefits click here (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/becoming-a-member/))
Limit of 1 beer per subcategory per entrant.
There is a limit of 5 beers per brewer so only enter your best!
Flat fee of EUR5 per entry.
Full details will be available on the National Brewing Championships website.
Medal categories will be announced closer to the date and will be subject to change depending on category entry numbers.
Registration open now. http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/competition/index.php
Dates for your diary...
Tuesday January 31 - Registration Closes
Sunday 5th February - Drop off Points Close
Saturday 18th February - Sallins
Saturday 4th March - Dublin
This event can only happen with your input - your entries, stewarding and judging and support. Also, in a change to usual proceedings, we won't be able to rely on CH to do all the donkey work as in previous years. The work John put in was second to none and went well beyond the call of duty. It'll be a test for the NHC but I'm confident we'll be able to pull through. :)
Best of luck to all brewers! Stay tuned for prize announcements! ;)
The first leg will be in Lock 13 (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/competition/index.php), Sallins with the South Kildare Homebrewers hosting.
The second leg and BOS will take place in Alfie Byrne's, Dublin.
NHC full members only. (For membership and benefits click here (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/becoming-a-member/))
Limit of 1 beer per subcategory per entrant.
There is a limit of 5 beers per brewer so only enter your best!
Flat fee of EUR5 per entry.
Full details will be available on the National Brewing Championships website.
Medal categories will be announced closer to the date and will be subject to change depending on category entry numbers.
Registration open now. http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/competition/index.php
Dates for your diary...
Tuesday January 31 - Registration Closes
Sunday 5th February - Drop off Points Close
Saturday 18th February - Sallins
Saturday 4th March - Dublin
This event can only happen with your input - your entries, stewarding and judging and support. Also, in a change to usual proceedings, we won't be able to rely on CH to do all the donkey work as in previous years. The work John put in was second to none and went well beyond the call of duty. It'll be a test for the NHC but I'm confident we'll be able to pull through. :)
Best of luck to all brewers! Stay tuned for prize announcements! ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on December 19, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Post by: mick02 on December 19, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Great to see my local Lock 13 hosting the first leg.
Looking forward to the competition.
Good luck to all entrants.
Looking forward to the competition.
Good luck to all entrants.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
Feel free to delete this post after fixed:
1. No dropdown for the clubs?
2. Stewarding text is wrong: Stewarding Are you willing and qualified to serve as a judge in this competition?
1. No dropdown for the clubs?
2. Stewarding text is wrong: Stewarding Are you willing and qualified to serve as a judge in this competition?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 03:43:50 PM
Post by: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 03:43:50 PM
Quote from: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
Feel free to delete this post after fixed:
1. No dropdown for the clubs?
2. Stewarding text is wrong: Stewarding Are you willing and qualified to serve as a judge in this competition?
1. Will have to look into that.
2. You sure? It's coming up grand for me.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
Weird the stewards text shows fine now! It was on the first page before it prompted me to fill out my judge details
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 02:21:15 PM
Dates for your diary...
Tuesday January 31 - Drop points close
Saturday 18th February - Sallins
Saturday 4th March - Dublin
Am I reading this wrong? Website disagrees with drop off close date
Entry bottles accepted at drop-off locations 01/01/2017 at 01:00, GMT through 10/02/2017 at 01:00, GMT.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 04:27:00 PM
Well spotted. Registration closes on Jan 31, not drop points.
We've set a date of 5th February for all entries to be at drop points but you are best to liaise with your local club reps as they are in the best position to advise on when they are able to accept entries.
We've set a date of 5th February for all entries to be at drop points but you are best to liaise with your local club reps as they are in the best position to advise on when they are able to accept entries.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: helmet on December 19, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
Post by: helmet on December 19, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
Is cat. 31 Alternative Fermentable left off the list intentionally? If so, where would a rye ale fit?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 06:30:22 PM
Post by: Pheeel on December 19, 2016, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on December 19, 2016, 04:27:00 PM
Well spotted. Registration closes on Jan 31, not drop points.
We've set a date of 5th February for all entries to be at drop points but you are best to liaise with your local club reps as they are in the best position to advise on when they are able to accept entries.
Phew! Was squeaky bum time there for a bit!!
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 19, 2016, 07:30:28 PM
Post by: Leann ull on December 19, 2016, 07:30:28 PM
Looks good guys
Apart from a BOS is there a best brewer prize this year and how are you working it out, same question re Club Comp?
Apart from a BOS is there a best brewer prize this year and how are you working it out, same question re Club Comp?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: bachus on December 19, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
Post by: bachus on December 19, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
No wines this year?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on December 20, 2016, 09:22:30 AM
Post by: delzep on December 20, 2016, 09:22:30 AM
5 entries max means a maximum of 250 points for a brewer to score - will there be a prize for highest scoring brewer in total? Just a thought
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
Wine was debated long and hard but 2 factors swung it. Firstly, Dunkel who helped organise last year's judging is flat out with running his new shop and secondly, we feel like wine always gets lost on the day.
So, Dunkel has kindly offered to host an NHC wine competition in the summer at Homebrew Centre and offer some prizes as sponsorship as well. I think that'll work out better for all concerned.
So, Dunkel has kindly offered to host an NHC wine competition in the summer at Homebrew Centre and offer some prizes as sponsorship as well. I think that'll work out better for all concerned.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 11:26:11 AM
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 11:26:11 AM
Quote from: CH on December 19, 2016, 07:30:28 PM
Looks good guys
Apart from a BOS is there a best brewer prize this year and how are you working it out, same question re Club Comp?
Yes, there is a top prize for both the Best of Show beer and the Best Brewer. Will open a thread with the points breakdown for those.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: JDC on December 20, 2016, 12:14:59 PM
Post by: JDC on December 20, 2016, 12:14:59 PM
Forgive me if I'm commenting on the wrong thread, but who should I contact if I'm having trouble registering for the Nationals? I went to the link above and registered, but had an issue along the way. I now can't re-register as I get 'The email address you entered is already in use. Please choose another.'. I can log in, but all my info is blank and I can't edit anything or add an entry, so I'm stuck in no man's land. Have tried on phone, PC, laptop, Firefox and Internet Explorer, but hitting the same problem on all.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 12:23:08 PM
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 12:23:08 PM
Had a look but can't see your account. Ciaran is managing the website so I'll ask him to have a look.
Your NHC membership has lapsed so that might be what's causing the trouble as well though.
Your NHC membership has lapsed so that might be what's causing the trouble as well though.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: JDC on December 20, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
Post by: JDC on December 20, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
Ah, Cheers for that. Hadn't spotted that - renewing now.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 01:23:58 PM
Post by: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 01:23:58 PM
The comp site looks pretty slick.
Unfortunately my Missus has us flying to Barcelona for the first Leg.
Who do we talk to about inconsiderate other halves?
Unfortunately my Missus has us flying to Barcelona for the first Leg.
Who do we talk to about inconsiderate other halves?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: irish_goat on December 20, 2016, 01:37:40 PM
Quote from: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 01:23:58 PM
The comp site looks pretty slick.
Unfortunately my Missus has us flying to Barcelona for the first Leg.
Who do we talk to about inconsiderate other halves?
Poor effort. I'm going to Barcelona 2 weeks beforehand myself. :D
For future reference, the 2 weekends the 6 Nations aren't on is nearly always going to be for the Nationals. :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 05:23:40 PM
Post by: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 05:23:40 PM
I'll have to get her sister to change her birthday for future years!
Now, back on topic...
Now, back on topic...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on December 20, 2016, 05:26:34 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on December 20, 2016, 05:26:34 PM
Should have married the sister
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
Post by: johnrm on December 20, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
I'm not even allowed trade in the car every 3 years.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Parky on December 21, 2016, 08:56:14 AM
Post by: Parky on December 21, 2016, 08:56:14 AM
QuoteIs cat. 31 Alternative Fermentable left off the list intentionally? If so, where would a rye ale fit?A fair question from Helmet - Bump ^^^^^^^^
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 10:39:58 AM
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 10:39:58 AM
Guys the way I am guessing this will be structured is that like our very first competition there were only 14/15 total cats so in the case of the exotic it was grouped into its closest relative so if it's a Stout rye into Stout cat if it's a rye Ale into Ale cat etc.
Most important part is the descriptive, only describe ingredients you can actually taste or perceive are there. If judges have to go hunting and can't find it not good.
Most important part is the descriptive, only describe ingredients you can actually taste or perceive are there. If judges have to go hunting and can't find it not good.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 11:31:27 AM
Post by: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 11:31:27 AM
If that's indeed the case, that's 28/29 entries per category. That's potentially a lot of high-scoring beers (~40 pts) in each category that won't get the recognition of a medal. That's a real pity, and I'd love to understand the justification for it.
CH, it's been said by yourself many times on the forum that any beer scoring over 38 is an excellent beer and after that it's a beauty contest, or luck of the draw. Surely going from 40-odd categories (which was too many, admittedly) to 15 is compounding that problem.
CH, it's been said by yourself many times on the forum that any beer scoring over 38 is an excellent beer and after that it's a beauty contest, or luck of the draw. Surely going from 40-odd categories (which was too many, admittedly) to 15 is compounding that problem.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
True no easy solution but there were medal hunters out there brewing for the odd cats and getting gold with 3 entries in the cat which isn't right either.
If your beer is good and true to style or descriptive it will rise above the rest.
40 cats is not the way to go I'm guessing at 15 I have no clue, how would you solve it?
If your beer is good and true to style or descriptive it will rise above the rest.
40 cats is not the way to go I'm guessing at 15 I have no clue, how would you solve it?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
Post by: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
Quote from: CH on December 21, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
True no easy solution but there were medal hunters out there brewing for the odd cats and getting gold with 3 entries in the cat which isn't right either.
If your beer is good and true to style or descriptive it will rise above the rest.
40 cats is not the way to go I'm guessing at 15 I have no clue, how would you solve it?
That's the theory alright, if the beer's good enough etc. But my point is there's a lot of good, high-scoring beers that will run the gauntlet in the mini-BOS against beers of potentially much different style. Lumping lots of sub-styles in together for the purposes of mini-BOS is not supposed to be an issue, as the individual beers are being judged according to their sub-style, but lit's not ideal. You've got big beers competing against small beers, delicately flavoured beers against strong flavoured ones.
I agree 40 is simply too many, we need some level of competitiveness. I don't know how it's solved, but I'd start by increasing the number of categories from 15.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 12:36:05 PMI'd start by increasing the number of categories from 15.
Thats my number not the organisers I have no clue as to what they are doing this year, and where do you stop as there will always be a case for upping it because "my beer is special" and needs its own proper BJCP cat?
on the BOS its a fact of life my own Helles was beaten by an IPA a couple of years back, years of therapy and I am just over it now :'( ;D.
Perhaps I should have entered one with citrus in it. ;D ;D :P
High scoring beer is not a defacto great beer, the quality of the judging can be low with hard judges being 5 points below and soft judges being 5 points over and I know thats one of the big lessons from previous years for more parity on judging standards.
At the end of the day I know that the organisers try and have bos judges with clean palettes and they are best placed to put one against another.
Its always going to be difficult to put a finite quantitative number on what is a qualitative opinion, but in the main what was done worked, I'm sure this year will be no different.
Its up to us as entrants and club members to recommend solutions to help the organisers, every year there have been lessons learnt in how the whole thing is run what works and what doesn't, full open bjcp cats didn't work so its up to us to propose something that will help.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: helmet on December 21, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
Post by: helmet on December 21, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
I completely understand that the amount of categories on offer must be cumbersome. The only reason I asked about 31 is that it appears to be the only cat not available on the drop down. I just thought it might have been an accidental omission.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 04:46:08 PM
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 04:46:08 PM
In that scenario maybe the IT guys should put I back in and do the joining of the groups at a latter stage?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on December 21, 2016, 07:41:45 PM
Post by: guest1906 on December 21, 2016, 07:41:45 PM
Hi guys
Is this competition only for home brew beers to enter as I produce home brew cider and wondering can I enter my ciders?
Is this competition only for home brew beers to enter as I produce home brew cider and wondering can I enter my ciders?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
Post by: Leann ull on December 21, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
If you are a full member you can enter no problem
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 08:32:27 PM
Post by: Bubbles on December 21, 2016, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: CH on December 21, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
At the end of the day I know that the organisers try and have bos judges with clean palettes and they are best placed to put one against another.
Fresh palates for the BOS, but generally not for the mini BOS. A pair of judges typically taste 12 beers of the same style before they go on to do the mini BOS which will often have beers of different styles, gravities. Palates are shot, and the judges beer preferences might start coming into play. For example, how is an excellently brewed blonde supposed to stand up against a well brewed American pale ale, judged by two people who have just sampled 12 pale ales? I'm sure we could find numerous examples of this across all the styles.
Quote from: CH on December 21, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
but in the main what was done worked, I'm sure this year will be no different.
I thought everything worked brilliantly last year, speaking as an entrant and judge. So I'm wondering why the changes this year on entry caps, reduced number of medals etc. There's a handful of categories that attracted very low numbers of entries last year that should be rolled into other categories. But we need to be sensible about it. Even halving the number of categories would be silly imo.
Quote from: CH on December 21, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
Its up to us as entrants and club members to recommend solutions to help the organisers, every year there have been lessons learnt in how the whole thing is run what works and what doesn't, full open bjcp cats didn't work so its up to us to propose something that will help.
I'm happy to do that, here or offline. I'm surprised that there hasn't been any open calls for feedback after the Nationals each year tbh.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on December 22, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
Post by: guest1906 on December 22, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
Hi Bubbles
For someone who came a member last June and new to the home brew championships I see this ac-arum constantly BOS in you posts, What does BOS mean?
For someone who came a member last June and new to the home brew championships I see this ac-arum constantly BOS in you posts, What does BOS mean?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on December 22, 2016, 10:44:19 AM
Post by: Simon_ on December 22, 2016, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: JamMan on December 22, 2016, 09:59:23 AMBest of show
What does BOS mean?
After beers have won their category they go forward for BOS where one will be judged the stand out beer. What Bubbles is referring to as a mini BOS is the compromise being made where quite different beer styles from a bundle of categories are judged together within the parent category
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on December 22, 2016, 10:48:43 AM
Post by: DEMPSEY on December 22, 2016, 10:48:43 AM
The winner of each category is then elevated to the BOS and it there that a panel of judges choose the overall winner.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on December 28, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
Post by: guest1906 on December 28, 2016, 11:25:04 AM
So will there be many cider entries into the championships?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on December 28, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
Post by: pob on December 28, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
From memory about 30+ each year in the Cider & Mead category.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on December 29, 2016, 12:49:52 PM
Post by: Leann ull on December 29, 2016, 12:49:52 PM
You are only allowed enter 1 per sub cat so in theory you can enter your max of 5 across the 11 odd cats, but please please taste you cider then read the guidelines for each style to see which one it's most suited for!
Nothing stopping you entering a good cider in 2 or 3 cats.
Nothing stopping you entering a good cider in 2 or 3 cats.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on January 02, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on January 02, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
Two quick questions on the competition website.
1 - I couldn't see a shipping address.
2 - I thought I'd read somewhere on here that swing tops were not allowed this year, but the competition site says they are. I assume the competition site is correct but could someone confirm?
1 - I couldn't see a shipping address.
2 - I thought I'd read somewhere on here that swing tops were not allowed this year, but the competition site says they are. I assume the competition site is correct but could someone confirm?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 02, 2017, 04:21:03 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 02, 2017, 04:21:03 PM
I think the conversation went that they were allowed however they present a significant danger because of their height in a bulmers crate and getting popped in stacking, there were 2 instances of them getting popped in the past and replacements were chased. That won't be happening this year so if you have an option I'd go standard caps.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on January 02, 2017, 10:06:42 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on January 02, 2017, 10:06:42 PM
Sounds like a sensible approach.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 05, 2017, 11:10:03 AM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 05, 2017, 11:10:03 AM
Has there been any judging guidelines done up for NEIPA entries?
Is it worth entering them or will they be marked down because they don't meet set style guidelines?
Is it worth entering them or will they be marked down because they don't meet set style guidelines?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on January 05, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
Post by: DEMPSEY on January 05, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
Methinks someone has a cracker of a murky looking beer :D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 05, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 05, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
Still in trial mode, it's a beer that interested me from day 1 and I really enjoy drinking it.
I just don't want to fork out the time and effort and expense, there's a few grams of hops in there, to be told "not to style".
There's probably others in the same boat too.
I just don't want to fork out the time and effort and expense, there's a few grams of hops in there, to be told "not to style".
There's probably others in the same boat too.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on January 05, 2017, 05:55:34 PM
Post by: Pheeel on January 05, 2017, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: fishjam45 on January 05, 2017, 11:10:03 AM
Has there been any judging guidelines done up for NEIPA entries?
Is it worth entering them or will they be marked down because they don't meet set style guidelines?
It'd go under specialty IPA. From the guidelines (bolding is mine):
Entry Instructions: Entrant must specify a strength
(session, standard, double); if no strength is specified, standard
will be assumed. Entrant must specify specific type of
Specialty IPA from the library of known types listed in the Style
Guidelines, or as amended by the BJCP web site; or the entrant
must describe the type of Specialty IPA and its key
characteristics in comment form so judges will know what to
expect. Entrants may specify specific hop varieties used, if
entrants feel that judges may not recognize the varietal
characteristics of newer hops. Entrants may specify a
combination of defined IPA types (e.g., Black Rye IPA)
without providing additional descriptions. Entrants may use
this category for a different strength version of an IPA defined
by its own BJCP subcategory (e.g., session-strength American
or English IPA) – except where an existing BJCP subcategory
already exists for that style (e.g., double [American] IPA).
Currently Defined Types: Black IPA, Brown IPA, White
IPA, Rye IPA, Belgian IPA, Red IPA
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 05, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 05, 2017, 07:15:31 PM
Brilliant, thanks for clearing that up!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Qs on January 05, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
Post by: Qs on January 05, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
Interesting. I have an overly hopped session level red about to be packaged so if its any good I could enter it as a session strength red IPA.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drum on January 05, 2017, 11:48:17 PM
Post by: Drum on January 05, 2017, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: Qs on January 05, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
Interesting. I have an overly hopped session level red about to be packaged so if its any good I could enter it as a session strength red IPA.
I've almost the same question. An over hopped 4% with 60ish IBU, should that go in to specialty as a session IPA? I know it would be marked down for being too bitter as an APA and not stong enough for IPA
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on January 06, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
Post by: Pheeel on January 06, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
Yep, specialty for both.
I'm actually not a fan on this subcat as its so vague it doesn't help. It's funny as BJCP are pretty rigid on styles (why so many pale lager cats!) but for specialty IPA they kind of said "fuck it"!!!
I'm actually not a fan on this subcat as its so vague it doesn't help. It's funny as BJCP are pretty rigid on styles (why so many pale lager cats!) but for specialty IPA they kind of said "fuck it"!!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Qs on January 06, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
Post by: Qs on January 06, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
I guess thats because every year there are new IPA types coming out. I mean who would have predicted in 2008 when those guidelines came out that everyone would be brewing not too bitter, muddy looking IPAs that don't really taste like beer?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 06, 2017, 01:15:31 PM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 06, 2017, 01:15:31 PM
Don't really taste like beer? :) :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Qs on January 06, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Post by: Qs on January 06, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
I'm just taking the piss. If people want to drink beer that tastes like milkshake alcopops who am I to judge. :P
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 06, 2017, 01:39:36 PM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 06, 2017, 01:39:36 PM
Please god you don't become a judge ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 06, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 06, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
Forgive him Lord he knows not what he says 
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: brewser on January 08, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
Post by: brewser on January 08, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
Hi. The competition guidelines seem pretty clear on this, but can I just confirm that you are NOT accepting entries in brown screw-top 500ml plastic bottles?
I ask because they are far easier and cheaper to post :) .
Thanks in advance
I ask because they are far easier and cheaper to post :) .
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 05:25:49 PM
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 05:25:49 PM
Correct.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
Reminder when entering specialty beers/ciders/meads, that you need to add in the correct details for the style & any additions in the relevant box, it is not sufficient to just have the name of the beer as its description, e.g. Cat 29A - Fruit Beer; Beer Name = Strawberry Blonde Ale.
You still need to name the style & fruit added as judges do not see the Beer Name, only the brewing details.
You still need to name the style & fruit added as judges do not see the Beer Name, only the brewing details.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 08, 2017, 05:45:23 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 08, 2017, 05:45:23 PM
Pob entrants need to be careful here as if they start listing ingredients and they aren't present it will be marked down, so in example above best to make sure it tastes of strawberries first before you enter it as such
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Jonnycheech on January 08, 2017, 06:12:59 PM
Post by: Jonnycheech on January 08, 2017, 06:12:59 PM
I have two entries that I'm not too sure on what category they go in.
1) Choc Coffee RIS with bourbon and oak chips. (Is this Imperial Stout or Wood aged beer?)
2) Orange Rye Porter. (Is this English Porter or ???)
1) Choc Coffee RIS with bourbon and oak chips. (Is this Imperial Stout or Wood aged beer?)
2) Orange Rye Porter. (Is this English Porter or ???)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 08, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 08, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
I'd suggest:
1. Specialty Wood aged
2. Fruit Beer, definitely not English porter given the addition of fruit
1. Specialty Wood aged
2. Fruit Beer, definitely not English porter given the addition of fruit
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Jonnycheech on January 08, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
Post by: Jonnycheech on January 08, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on January 08, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
I'd suggest:
1. Specialty Wood aged
2. Fruit Beer, definitely not English porter given the addition of fruit
Cheers Bubbles. I was hoping you weren't going to suggest fruit beer actually. I added orange peel at flame out and it is only slightly coming through. I think it's nice and well balanced but i think many would think the orange is not strong enough. I was nearly thinking of going the English porter route, not mentioning the orange at all. What ya reckon?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on January 08, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
Post by: molc on January 08, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
If it's just an accent, I'd not mention it. For fruit, the judge will be looking for the flavour mentioned.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 08, 2017, 08:19:17 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 08, 2017, 08:19:17 PM
What molc said, for sure. Though if it's noticeable, and you get a sharp judge on the day, you might get dinged for an inappropriate fruit flavour. A judge might even interpret the fruit as an inappropriate fermentation ester byproduct, or an American hop addition that doesn't belong in an English style. And tbh, they'd be correct to do so, as far as I know.
Fruit beer is still probably the best category. The guidelines allow for mild-high fruit character, as long as the fruit is complementary with the base style. Unfortunately, competition brewing will more often than not favour the beers that have bolder flavours.
Best thing is to bring it along to your local meet with a copy of the BJCP guidelines for the styles which you think might be a good fit, and let them decide. Hard to advise properly without having tasted the beer.
Or enter it in both cats!
Fruit beer is still probably the best category. The guidelines allow for mild-high fruit character, as long as the fruit is complementary with the base style. Unfortunately, competition brewing will more often than not favour the beers that have bolder flavours.
Best thing is to bring it along to your local meet with a copy of the BJCP guidelines for the styles which you think might be a good fit, and let them decide. Hard to advise properly without having tasted the beer.
Or enter it in both cats!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 08:22:04 PM
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: Johnnycheech on January 08, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
I was nearly thinking of going the English porter route, not mentioning the orange at all. What ya reckon?
As per CH & Molc above, it's what you can taste is important, in fact you should be tasting all of your beers before even deciding what category to enter it in; there is overlaps in some of the categories, so may preform better in one rather than the one you originally brewed. Remember, the judges can only judge the beer based on the category it was entered in.
For the orangy English Porter, could the flavour/aroma have come from Admiral or Amarillo hops, or something similar? If so then I probably wouldn't mention the fruit. If it's a glass of OJ with some Porter (exaggerating for point) in it, then go for the fruit beer.
My earlier point was that if you are definitely entering a speciality beer, don't rely on the name of your beer being enough for the judges to know what is in it - they don't see the name, only the brewing notes on your registration/entry form.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 08:22:29 PM
Post by: pob on January 08, 2017, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on January 08, 2017, 08:19:17 PM
Or enter it in both cats!
or this
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on January 10, 2017, 07:11:53 AM
Post by: guest1906 on January 10, 2017, 07:11:53 AM
What volume of bottles can we enter as I have my cider in 500ml bottles and is it crown top or flip top bottles or does that matter. My plan plan is to berry and two apple cider, that's three in total. and would I need to be entering 6 bottles for the two legg's
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 10, 2017, 08:09:48 AM
Post by: pob on January 10, 2017, 08:09:48 AM
It's 2 x 500ml crown or flip top per entry (the cider will be judged at one of the legs. 2 bottles are required, one for the scoring sheet & 2nd if it progresses to BOS (Best of Show) for the Cider category).
Make sure you also tick the relevant boxes in the cider category, e.g. Dry, sparkling or Medium, petillant, etc.
More guidelines on how the cider is judged here (http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Cider.pdf)
Make sure you also tick the relevant boxes in the cider category, e.g. Dry, sparkling or Medium, petillant, etc.
More guidelines on how the cider is judged here (http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Cider.pdf)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
Remember only 1 entry per sub category
Have a read of the cats and decide how you are going to split your 2 apple ciders
Have a read of the cats and decide how you are going to split your 2 apple ciders
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:14:21 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:14:21 PM
Question regarding 28A Brett Beer. Is there a history of people actually entering this category and if so is there a judge sufficiently versed in the nuances of Brett beer? Just wondering in case I am wasting my time entering a 100% brett beer. Cheers.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
I know 5-10 entries in this cat in past, not all Brett by design.
The one I seem to remember most is the one where the entrant in the description said, "I think my beer is infected but it brings something to the flavour"
Your basically saying my Brett Beer is better than everybody else's and the judges and organisers are amateurs and don't have a clue
It's judged to a documented style category not a judges experience in tasting lots of Brett style beers. There will be loads of funk experts there.
Enter it
The one I seem to remember most is the one where the entrant in the description said, "I think my beer is infected but it brings something to the flavour"
Your basically saying my Brett Beer is better than everybody else's and the judges and organisers are amateurs and don't have a clue
It's judged to a documented style category not a judges experience in tasting lots of Brett style beers. There will be loads of funk experts there.
Enter it
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:36:19 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Your basically saying my Brett Beer is better than everybody else's and the judges and organisers are amateurs and don't have a clue
It's judged to a documented style category not a judges experience in tasting lots of Brett style beers.
Enter it
Not saying they don't have a clue just trying to gauge their level of experience. I don't drink cider so I wouldn't think it fair for me to sit down and judge one. I think experience is key in judging any style of beer not just brett. Judging something you've never tasted before would be tough I'd imagine no matter how well the guidelines steer you through it.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
Majority of Judges are BJCP, and it's the BJCP system the judges are measuring against, don't think the organisers are ever going to let us entrants know who judges which cat in advance, just be rest assured that judging is done to the highest possible standard.
I'll let some of the BJCP qualified judges comment at this point
Have you had a bad experience before?
I'll let some of the BJCP qualified judges comment at this point
Have you had a bad experience before?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
Majority of Judges are BJCP, and it's the BJCP system the judges are measuring against, don't think the organisers are ever going to let us entrants know who judges which cat in advance, just be rest assured that judging is done to the highest possible standard.
I'll let some of the BJCP qualified judges comment at this point
Have you had a bad experience before?
I've had a beer judged by non BJCP judge last year but I was happy with the critique. Will it be 100% BJCP judges this year?
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
I don't know tbh and organiser for reasons of fairness typically only let's judges know a week before, and that's so they can read up or practice on commercial samples.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on January 10, 2017, 12:59:56 PM
Post by: molc on January 10, 2017, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 12:47:02 PMQuote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
Majority of Judges are BJCP, and it's the BJCP system the judges are measuring against, don't think the organisers are ever going to let us entrants know who judges which cat in advance, just be rest assured that judging is done to the highest possible standard.
I'll let some of the BJCP qualified judges comment at this point
Have you had a bad experience before?
I've had a beer judged by non BJCP judge last year but I was happy with the critique. Will it be 100% BJCP judges this year?
The judges don't know what they will be judging until close to the event, but on the system we're able to mark styles where we have a preference/better knowledge. I mark myself out of cider as I wouldn't have the knowledge to do it justice. I'm sure other judges do the same.
As for the Brett beers, all judges that have done the course have tried quite a few different examples and discussed the desirable and less desirable traits for those beers. This year alone we had some IPA homebrews with brett, along with the more classical examples.
Your Brett beer will also be judged against the best of the flight on the day, so that table will be calibrated by doing 10+ beers. The best beers usually advance I've found.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 01:46:39 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 01:46:39 PM
Thanks molc. I wasn't blowing my own trumpet as previously stated but just generally wondering what the judging process and experience for this style was as it's near impossible to lay hands on this style in Ireland. Judges seem to need experience in every category so and that's what I was wondering. As always all I want is open and honest feedback from trained personnel so I can continue to improve and learn from every brew I make!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on January 10, 2017, 02:20:55 PM
Post by: molc on January 10, 2017, 02:20:55 PM
For the course, we do focused classes on a number of style groupings, along with off flavour focused sessions where we taste some of them isolation. I hope never to do buturic acid again!
Over 6/7 classes, I think we went through ~50 different beers, covering a large spectrum of styles and substyles. After that, you have a mock and a full exam, so another 12 there. A fresh judge, who hasn't done a single competition, already has critically analysed ~60 beers, which isn't too shabby. Then each competition is adding 10-15 beers to that tally.
Brett isn't too hard to get, as there are a lot of Belgian examples. Orval would be a classic, if understated example. Then you have the mixed fermentations Reds, lambic, saison etc., where it may be part of the flavour profile but not as dominant.
After that, there are quite a few homebrewers using Brett these days, which gives more variety in what you can try, as well as trying to pick out the good qualities of Brett from the other flavours the brewer has introduced.
Over 6/7 classes, I think we went through ~50 different beers, covering a large spectrum of styles and substyles. After that, you have a mock and a full exam, so another 12 there. A fresh judge, who hasn't done a single competition, already has critically analysed ~60 beers, which isn't too shabby. Then each competition is adding 10-15 beers to that tally.
Brett isn't too hard to get, as there are a lot of Belgian examples. Orval would be a classic, if understated example. Then you have the mixed fermentations Reds, lambic, saison etc., where it may be part of the flavour profile but not as dominant.
After that, there are quite a few homebrewers using Brett these days, which gives more variety in what you can try, as well as trying to pick out the good qualities of Brett from the other flavours the brewer has introduced.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
None of the examples you mention are 100% brett though. Orval is bottle conditioned with brett as far as I know and all the others are mixed fermentation. Is there any 100% brett beers on the shelves in Ireland?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: nigel_c on January 10, 2017, 02:53:24 PM
Post by: nigel_c on January 10, 2017, 02:53:24 PM
White Hag have a brett pale ale that is 100% brett fermentation if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on January 10, 2017, 02:53:50 PM
Post by: phoenix on January 10, 2017, 02:53:50 PM
Quote from: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
None of the examples you mention are 100% brett though. Orval is bottle conditioned with brett as far as I know and all the others are mixed fermentation. Is there any 100% brett beers on the shelves in Ireland?
Yes there are. There was one from Crooked Stave released just last week.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
Minor details, enter it you know you want to....
Actually at this stage you might be too late based on registrations?
Actually at this stage you might be too late based on registrations?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:09:20 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:09:20 PM
The strength/experience of the judges you get on the day aside, the BJCP guidelines do allow for 100% Brett beers and also state that "Brett character may range from minimal to aggressive", so you're probably covered.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 03:11:56 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 03:11:56 PM
White Hag was 644 which for me is a sacch strain so that was cheating on their behalf. Crooked Stave is a good call but keep it to yourself yeah! I'll enter it anyway and see how it goes.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
Actually at this stage you might be too late based on registrations?
Really?? What are we up to now??
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 03:17:54 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 03:17:54 PM
Oh thank God
Be funny if it was the only one now as all the bjcp funk judges on here (many) would seek it out and dissect it to shreds! All that feckin hype I'm going looking for it if I'm involved on the day
Best of Luck in any case
Be funny if it was the only one now as all the bjcp funk judges on here (many) would seek it out and dissect it to shreds! All that feckin hype I'm going looking for it if I'm involved on the day
Best of Luck in any case
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 03:20:31 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:13:53 PMQuote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 02:56:41 PM
Actually at this stage you might be too late based on registrations?
Really?? What are we up to now??
It used to say it on the entry page in previous comps, I've no clue
https://youtu.be/OvTAxWoy8-s
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 03:17:54 PM
Oh thank God
Be funny if it was the only one now as all the bjcp funk judges on here (many) would seek it out and dissect it to shreds! All that feckin hype I'm going looking for it if I'm involved on the day
Best of Luck in any case
I hope the BJCP funk judges do seek it out and dissect it. That's the whole purpose of it. I'd prefer if you stayed away from it seeing as you're not one of the funk experts. 100% brett fermentations exhibit a lot less/very little funk compared to secondary fermented/bottle conditioned brett beers. Just a non-funky tip in case you ever do go judging!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: bachus on January 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: bachus on January 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
Lads,
Just a quick question... 375ml/750ml mead bottles are allowed?
Just a quick question... 375ml/750ml mead bottles are allowed?
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 04:21:08 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
That's the whole purpose of it. I'd prefer if you stayed away from it seeing as you're not one of the funk experts. 100% brett fermentations exhibit a lot less/very little funk compared to secondary fermented/bottle conditioned brett beers. Just a non-funky tip in case you ever do go judging!
Introduce yourself to me if you are coming to the Nationals and I'll tell you what you said above is really funny.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 04:25:38 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 03:17:54 PM
Oh thank God
Be funny if it was the only one now as all the bjcp funk judges on here (many) would seek it out and dissect it to shreds! All that feckin hype I'm going looking for it if I'm involved on the day
Best of Luck in any case
Do you think this was constructive?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 04:29:33 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 04:29:33 PM
Hey you started by questioning if the standard of judging at the Nationals would be good enough to judge your beer, seriously?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 04:29:33 PMI asked if there was a history of people entering brett beer. I then asked about the level of training bjcp judges get for brett beers, if any, to which I got proper answer from molc. I thought I might be wasting my time entering a brett beer if it gets lumped into some other category due to nobody else brewing the style. I never said it was a world class beer, just a brett beer, and if flawed I'd like to know why. You're the one that wants to gather everyone around to pull it apart for some reason.
Hey you started by questioning if the standard of judging at the Nationals would be good enough to judge your beer, seriously?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: nigel_c on January 10, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
Post by: nigel_c on January 10, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
I entered a brett beer last year ( and won a gold ;)) and got good feedback. Cant remember who judged it but they made good points and could spot the processes I followed.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 05:18:15 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
You're the one that wants to gather everyone around to pull it apart for some reason.
You put in up on a pedestal by asking about the quality of the judging, inferring were they good enough to judge your beer? The judging and BJCP judging process has been shared 10's of times on the forum and judging standards and criteria are totally transparent, beers only get judged to their category, if you are comfortable with the general concept and process enter your beer for feedback, if not look elsewhere, your local club perhaps?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 05:22:35 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 05:22:35 PM
Quote from: bachus on January 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
Lads,
Just a quick question... 375ml/750ml mead bottles are allowed?
Deja Vue Bachus?, you want your crown back? Definitely no 750's, what a waste of mead on a judge. Last year was it not 330-500Ml? Nothing clearly identifiable! Gary and I judged last year in Belfast and 330's were fine, anything more than that and its waste for Mead. Wine is the only cat 750's are allowed for practical handling reasons.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 05:24:48 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 05:18:15 PMWas it my poetic use of the English language that confused you? molc answered my question. Thanks CH.Quote from: garciaBernal on January 10, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
You're the one that wants to gather everyone around to pull it apart for some reason.
You put in up on a pedestal by asking about the quality of the judging, inferring were they good enough to judge your beer? The judging and BJCP judging process has been shared 10's of times on the forum and judging standards and criteria are totally transparent, beers only get judged to their category, if you are comfortable with the general concept and process enter your beer for feedback, if not look elsewhere, your local club perhaps?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 06:39:51 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 10, 2017, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 05:22:35 PMQuote from: bachus on January 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
Lads,
Just a quick question... 375ml/750ml mead bottles are allowed?
Deja Vue Bachus?, you want your crown back? Definitely no 750's, what a waste of mead on a judge. Last year was it not 330-500Ml? Nothing clearly identifiable! Gary and I judged last year in Belfast and 330's were fine, anything more than that and its waste for Mead. Wine is the only cat 750's are allowed for practical handling reasons.
CH, take bachus's 750... I'll happily wait outside for anything the judges don't drink. Seriously.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 08:03:18 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 08:03:18 PM
Tell you what you two enter 750's and everybody else 330s or less
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: tommy on January 10, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
Post by: tommy on January 10, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
The 'pay your fee' button isnt doing anything for me on the competition page, anyone else experiencing this? Any moderator to help?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on January 10, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
Post by: beanstalk on January 10, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
I have a couple wee questions you may be able to help me with.
I'm entering a milk stout which contains lactose sugar in the 'sweet stout' category and probably a brown ale that contains pecans. Is it in the brewer's specifics that I mention this? It says not to mention any specific ingredients but I don't want a judge to die from anaphylactic shock from the pecans or keel over with stomach pains from lactose intolerance . ???
Also, if my brown ale contains pecans, can I still enter it in the brown ale category?
I'm entering a milk stout which contains lactose sugar in the 'sweet stout' category and probably a brown ale that contains pecans. Is it in the brewer's specifics that I mention this? It says not to mention any specific ingredients but I don't want a judge to die from anaphylactic shock from the pecans or keel over with stomach pains from lactose intolerance . ???
Also, if my brown ale contains pecans, can I still enter it in the brown ale category?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
All judges have signed a waiver and are not either lactose or nut intolerant.
If pecans are obvious in flavour list them
If pecans are obvious in flavour list them
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 11, 2017, 08:38:21 AM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 11, 2017, 08:38:21 AM
Hi . Is there a (division of beers per judging day list )set u
As in what cats on which day?
As in what cats on which day?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on January 11, 2017, 08:45:46 AM
Post by: molc on January 11, 2017, 08:45:46 AM
Nope, we never know that detail.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on January 11, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
Post by: garciaBernal on January 11, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: tommy on January 10, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
The 'pay your fee' button isnt doing anything for me on the competition page, anyone else experiencing this? Any moderator to help?
I had the same problem last night but if you click on the amount owed beside "Entry Fees to Pay" to the right hand side you can proceed with payment there.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on January 11, 2017, 11:52:22 AM
Post by: guest1906 on January 11, 2017, 11:52:22 AM
I'm filling in the Registration at the moment and who do I drop off the bottles to as it is giving me a list of names, I'm based in Sandyford Dublin?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Parky on January 11, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
Post by: Parky on January 11, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
QuoteI'm filling in the Registration at the moment and who do I drop off the bottles to as it is giving me a list of names, I'm based in Sandyford Dublin?
Hi JamMan, David Hingston would be your best bet on that list as he's based in Rathfarnham, so not too far away from Sandyford. Just give him a call, I'm sure he'll sort you out. Alternatively you can drop your entries directly to Alfie Byrnes once the drop points open, if you're around town.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on January 11, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
Post by: mick02 on January 11, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: JamMan on January 11, 2017, 11:52:22 AM
I'm filling in the Registration at the moment and who do I drop off the bottles to as it is giving me a list of names, I'm based in Sandyford Dublin?
Hey JamMan,
I'm based out of Leopardstown and can take them from you if you want? I'm a member of South Kildare HC so will give them to Kellie to be sorted.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on January 11, 2017, 03:52:26 PM
Post by: Drzava on January 11, 2017, 03:52:26 PM
Apologies if I'm missing something, but is there any bottle drop off in Cork. I'm sure I saw a page saying Abbott's and a club member earlier, but the registration form only shows locations 'up the country'?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 11, 2017, 04:09:13 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 11, 2017, 04:09:13 PM
Check rebel forum
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on January 11, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
Post by: Drzava on January 11, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
OK, so there is none currently. Am I imagining that I saw Abbot's and a chap called Mangan listed somewhere on the competition site?!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 11, 2017, 04:20:28 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 11, 2017, 04:20:28 PM
Johnrm was looking for help getting them to Clonard
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 11, 2017, 05:14:14 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 11, 2017, 05:14:14 PM
Couple of questions for the organisers:
- are mead and cider likely to be put together in the same category this year?
- are winning mead and cider entries eligible for the BOS/Best Brewer/Best Club awards?
Thanks.
- are mead and cider likely to be put together in the same category this year?
- are winning mead and cider entries eligible for the BOS/Best Brewer/Best Club awards?
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on January 11, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
Post by: johnrm on January 11, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
I be the lad in Cork.
I am less flexible that I have been in previous years owing to work and personal commitments.
Let me check timing and dates over the next few days.
There are postal drop points if you want the cost/risk.
I am less flexible that I have been in previous years owing to work and personal commitments.
Let me check timing and dates over the next few days.
There are postal drop points if you want the cost/risk.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on January 11, 2017, 07:34:08 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on January 11, 2017, 07:34:08 PM
What are they? They weren't on the comp site when I checked the other week. Can someone confirm they are now?
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on January 11, 2017, 07:40:22 PM
Post by: guest1906 on January 11, 2017, 07:40:22 PM
I'm checking all my ciders at the moment to see which is appropriate to enter into the competition as I made two types of berry cider and which is the better one to enter and to check which of the apple ciders that would be good to enter.
What is David Hingston handle on this so I can contact him directly?
What is David Hingston handle on this so I can contact him directly?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Hingo on January 11, 2017, 08:10:34 PM
Post by: Hingo on January 11, 2017, 08:10:34 PM
Quote from: JamMan on January 11, 2017, 07:40:22 PMHere i am
I'm checking all my ciders at the moment to see which is appropriate to enter into the competition as I made two types of berry cider and which is the better one to enter and to check which of the apple ciders that would be good to enter.
What is David Hingston handle on this so I can contact him directly?
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on January 12, 2017, 12:04:46 AM
Post by: guest1906 on January 12, 2017, 12:04:46 AM
Ok I have now registered and hope I win on beginners luck, fat chance of that happening.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on January 12, 2017, 08:13:36 AM
Post by: johnrm on January 12, 2017, 08:13:36 AM
Hey Jammy, don't think like that.
Do your best with your beer.
Submit what YOU believe to be a good or great beer. (Hopefully your friends and family have given you some honest feedback).
Take note of comments from judges and use this to improve future beers.
And good luck!
Do your best with your beer.
Submit what YOU believe to be a good or great beer. (Hopefully your friends and family have given you some honest feedback).
Take note of comments from judges and use this to improve future beers.
And good luck!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 12, 2017, 11:04:40 AM
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 12, 2017, 11:04:40 AM
I had 4 beers down but won't have 2 ready so I just removed 2 beers from my profile to free up the slots.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 12, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 12, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
Hi noob confusion here.
A stout brewed with hardly any roast barley , 5% chocolate malt 10% flaked barley and sweetened with small addition lactose then cold brew coffee adDitton (small but very noticeable)
Best cat???
Also a saison tat contains a very minor fruit addition which is detectable but very minor
Tytyty
A stout brewed with hardly any roast barley , 5% chocolate malt 10% flaked barley and sweetened with small addition lactose then cold brew coffee adDitton (small but very noticeable)
Best cat???
Also a saison tat contains a very minor fruit addition which is detectable but very minor
Tytyty
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: bachus on January 12, 2017, 03:30:30 PM
Post by: bachus on January 12, 2017, 03:30:30 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2017, 05:22:35 PMQuote from: bachus on January 10, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
Lads,
Just a quick question... 375ml/750ml mead bottles are allowed?
Deja Vue Bachus?, you want your crown back? Definitely no 750's, what a waste of mead on a judge. Last year was it not 330-500Ml? Nothing clearly identifiable! Gary and I judged last year in Belfast and 330's were fine, anything more than that and its waste for Mead. Wine is the only cat 750's are allowed for practical handling reasons.
Thanks!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 12, 2017, 03:43:52 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 12, 2017, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: LASERBOY147 on January 12, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
Also a saison tat contains a very minor fruit addition which is detectable but very minor
if it's detectable, then "Fruit Beer" is the only logical category because if you enter it in saison it will, and should, be marked down for having inappropriate ingredients. But the "Fruit Beer" guidelines allow for subtle fruit additions, so it still might score well.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 12, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 12, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
Ok bubbles cheers I'll give it a go in that cat. Any critique is welcome as far as im concerned so even if it turns out they say it should have gone to saison cat , I won't mind , it's all learning for me atm.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Bubbles on January 12, 2017, 04:21:24 PM
Post by: Bubbles on January 12, 2017, 04:21:24 PM
You could always try entering it in both categories if you're really curious, and you think it's a good beer?! (I should probably have this as my forum signature at this stage! :) )
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 12, 2017, 05:06:04 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 12, 2017, 05:06:04 PM
Lads if somebody on here recs a cat and it's marked down for being in the wrong one don't blame them!
Print out the cat and get a pen and start ticking boxes, we are our own best judge of our own beer and as Bubbles says if you are stuck between 2 cats enter it in both
Print out the cat and get a pen and start ticking boxes, we are our own best judge of our own beer and as Bubbles says if you are stuck between 2 cats enter it in both
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on January 12, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
Post by: mick02 on January 12, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: CH on January 12, 2017, 05:06:04 PM
Lads if somebody on here recs a cat and it's marked down for being in the wrong one don't blame them!
Print out the cat and get a pen and start ticking boxes, we are our own best judge of our own beer and as Bubbles says if you are stuck between 2 cats enter it in both
Who will I blame then if my beer doesn't win ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: dcalnan on January 12, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
Post by: dcalnan on January 12, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: johnrm on January 11, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
I be the lad in Cork.
I am less flexible that I have been in previous years owing to work and personal commitments.
Let me check timing and dates over the next few days.
There are postal drop points if you want the cost/risk.
I can collect them as well for city people but I won't be around the week up to the deadline. And drive them up.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on January 12, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on January 12, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
My Entry is In lads !!!
I feel it in me bones , this years for me ;D ;D ;D
I feel it in me bones , this years for me ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on January 12, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Post by: Drzava on January 12, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Quote from: dcalnan on January 12, 2017, 07:59:11 PMQuote from: johnrm on January 11, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
I be the lad in Cork.
I am less flexible that I have been in previous years owing to work and personal commitments.
Let me check timing and dates over the next few days.
There are postal drop points if you want the cost/risk.
I can collect them as well for city people but I won't be around the week up to the deadline. And drive them up.
In the interim, should we just put in the 'shipping' option for drop off etc? Can't register without picking something! I appreciate BTW that all this 'background' work takes for more effort than may realise!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: jawalemon on January 12, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
Post by: jawalemon on January 12, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
Is it ok to use Coopers PET bottles? has anyone found they don't hold their carbonation?
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 12, 2017, 11:35:41 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 12, 2017, 11:35:41 PM
You cannot use coopers bottles in the Nationals, your entry will be disqualified.
They are good for 6-12 months, need screwing on tightly.
They are good for 6-12 months, need screwing on tightly.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 12, 2017, 11:36:57 PM
Post by: pob on January 12, 2017, 11:36:57 PM
2 x 500ml brown glass, crown or flip top per entry
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: jawalemon on January 12, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Post by: jawalemon on January 12, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Grand. Bottles it is then.
Thanks.
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Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 16, 2017, 01:20:21 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 16, 2017, 01:20:21 AM
Gordon has spoken
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on January 16, 2017, 08:22:22 AM
Post by: Drzava on January 16, 2017, 08:22:22 AM
Quote from: Drzava on January 12, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
In the interim, should we just put in the 'shipping' option for drop off etc? Can't register without picking something! I appreciate BTW that all this 'background' work takes for more effort than may realise!
Just wondering if anyone has guidance on this? Don't want to miss the boat like I did last year!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: dcalnan on January 16, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
Post by: dcalnan on January 16, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
I would for the meantime, it might take a while to add mine and John's details.
So I have a choice to make is a chocolate oatmeal milk stout a sweet stout or oatmeal stout?
So I have a choice to make is a chocolate oatmeal milk stout a sweet stout or oatmeal stout?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dunkel on January 20, 2017, 12:07:56 PM
Post by: Dunkel on January 20, 2017, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: JamMan on January 12, 2017, 12:04:46 AM
Ok I have now registered and hope I win on beginners luck, fat chance of that happening.
It happened to me in the cider category! :D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 21, 2017, 10:54:08 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 21, 2017, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: dcalnan on January 16, 2017, 11:43:09 AMSweet stout probably needs lactose or a huge body from high mashing.
So I have a choice to make is a chocolate oatmeal milk stout a sweet stout or oatmeal stout?
Chocolate can be bitter chocolate, from the malt.
Taste it then decide.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 22, 2017, 07:45:50 AM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 22, 2017, 07:45:50 AM
Is there a link to the uploaded score sheets from last year? Had a look but so many threads. Ty
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 22, 2017, 01:55:44 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 22, 2017, 01:55:44 PM
They were the property of the club and the entrant who paid for them. To help others they were all published. Links were in competition area. It was unique as no other competition on the planet does this to help entrants. For confidentiality reasons but more the fact that some members were analysing them not in a good way they were deleted 3 months after the event.
Not sure what's going to happen this year, after last year I wouldn't be a fan of publishing all it's not fair on judges either.
We will be publishing NEIPA comp results as we make judges anonymous and problems are resolved through organiser.
Not sure what's going to happen this year, after last year I wouldn't be a fan of publishing all it's not fair on judges either.
We will be publishing NEIPA comp results as we make judges anonymous and problems are resolved through organiser.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 22, 2017, 07:08:56 PM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 22, 2017, 07:08:56 PM
Cheers for update. Was just looking for my own but somewhere I did a screenshot so I'll find it on laptop later . Thanks
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on January 22, 2017, 07:25:56 PM
Post by: delzep on January 22, 2017, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: CH on January 22, 2017, 01:55:44 PM
some members were analysing them not in a good way
What do you mean by this?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 22, 2017, 07:28:12 PM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 22, 2017, 07:28:12 PM
Comments were passed about the judges as far as I can remember
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 23, 2017, 09:12:53 AM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 23, 2017, 09:12:53 AM
No.
Comments were passed about the comments some judges were putting on the sheets.
One clown, in his comments on one beer, wrote
and that was all. No advice, no reasons for docking points, just that.
If you are volunteering to judge a competition, and are doing stuff like that then you absolutely deserve to be called out in public, that is downright rude, and of absolutely no help to the brewer.
Comments were passed about the comments some judges were putting on the sheets.
One clown, in his comments on one beer, wrote
QuoteI...
and that was all. No advice, no reasons for docking points, just that.
If you are volunteering to judge a competition, and are doing stuff like that then you absolutely deserve to be called out in public, that is downright rude, and of absolutely no help to the brewer.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 23, 2017, 11:32:25 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 23, 2017, 11:32:25 AM
And that's for the entrant to raise with the organisers rather than the individual or a third party publicly berating judges and why I wouldn't be a fan of publishing sheets. I also know good BJCP judges that don't judge if they know the results are to be publicised.
It's up to the organisers who they choose to judge and even if we had the top 100 bjcp judges on the planet there will always be somebody unhappy with something and probably why it's fairest to all to not publish or do it anonymously.
It's up to the organisers who they choose to judge and even if we had the top 100 bjcp judges on the planet there will always be somebody unhappy with something and probably why it's fairest to all to not publish or do it anonymously.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on January 23, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
Post by: SlugTrap on January 23, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
Concerns over consistency in judging comments is one reason the NHC created the position of Judging Officer.
I'll be looking after standards for scoresheets this year, and fielding any questions from competitors that come up around this issue.
On a happier note, announcement to follow...
I'll be looking after standards for scoresheets this year, and fielding any questions from competitors that come up around this issue.
On a happier note, announcement to follow...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on January 23, 2017, 12:03:25 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on January 23, 2017, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: CH on January 16, 2017, 01:20:21 AM
Gordon has spoken
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The NHC is happy to share the judging guidelines we'll be using for New England IPA:
21B. Speciality IPA: New England IPA
Overall Impression
An unfiltered, soft-bodied, American IPA low in bitterness. Showcases the bright flavors and aromas of American or New World hops through its balance, mouthfeel, and yeast character. Drinkability is a key characteristic.
Aroma
A prominent to intense hop aroma typically citrus, tropical fruit, stone fruit, floral, berry, melon; pine and spice are less common but acceptable. Most versions are dry hopped and have an additional resinous or grassy fresh hop aroma, this is desireable but not required. Some clean malty-grainy aroma may be found in the background, generally with no caramel component. Low to medium fruity esters, although a neutral fermentation character is also acceptable. A restrained alcohol note may be present, but this should be minimal.
Appearance
Color ranges from gold to light reddish-amber. Medium-sized, white to off-white head with good persistence. Hazy to cloudy, even turbid. Dry hopping contributes to haziness. The high protein content of wheat and/or oats impairs clarity in an unfiltered beer, although the level of haze is somewhat variable. Suspended yeast sediment can contribute to cloudiness.
Flavor
Hop flavor is medium to very high, with American or New World hop characteristics such as citrus, floral, tropical fruit, stone fruit, resinous, berry, melon, etc. Low to medium bitterness, any lingering bitterness should not be harsh. Low to medium-low malt flavor, generally clean or grainy-sweet; caramel or toasty flavors should be minimal. Low to medium yeast character is common, sometimes peach- or apricot-like. Dry to medium-dry finish; low residual sweetness is acceptable. A light, clean alcohol flavor is not a fault in stronger versions.
Mouthfeel
Medium-light to medium body with medium to medium-high carbonation. No harsh hop-derived astringency. Smooth, with creaminess from wheat and/or slickness from oats. Suspended yeast may increase the perception of body.
Comments
Can range from a smoother, hazier, juicier interpretation of an American IPA to an opaque "fruit smoothie" that might seem more like fresh squeezed juice than beer. When judging, allow for differences in interpretation. May have a pungent, dank hop character usually found only in wet hop beers.
History
Based on Head Topper from The Alchemist, first canned in 2011, which became popular using an English house yeast and extensive late hopping to create its fruity character. Later producers employed a combination of hop flavor-enhancing techniques that together produce the signature haze. Variously referred to as "Vermont IPA" to reflect its origins or "North East IPA" because several prominent early producers are outside of New England in New York. This style continues to evolve.
Characteristic Ingredients
Pale, two-row or Pilsen malts, including British varieties. American or New World hops, especially newer varietals providing distinct characteristics, with a concentration on late and dry-hopping. High-protein malts such as oats or wheat contribute mouthfeel and polyphenols for enhanced hop character. Minimal use of crystal malts, if any. Sugar additions to aid attenuation are acceptable. English yeast strains are estery, medium- to low- attenuating and medium- to low-flocculating. High chloride levels accentuate mouthfeel.
Style Comparison
Cloudier, less bitter, softer and often fruitier than an American IPA. Many modern American IPAs are also hazy and fruity but have a crisp finish and a higher perceived bitterness; these beers should be entered as American IPA.
Entry Instructions
Entrant must specify a strength (session, standard, double); if no strength is specified, standard will be assumed. Entrants may specify specific hop varieties used, if entrants feel that judges may not recognize the varietal characteristics of newer hops.
Vital Statistics
IBUs: 35 - 70
SRM: 4 - 14
OG: 1.045 - 1.085
FG: 1.010 - 1.018
ABV: 4.5% - 10.0%
Commercial Examples
Tree House Julius, Trillium Congress Street, Other Half Green Diamonds, Grimm Tesseract, Great Notion Juice Box, Cloudwater DIPA v3
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
Great work.
These will also be adopted for GCB comp in May
These will also be adopted for GCB comp in May
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 23, 2017, 12:10:13 PM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 23, 2017, 12:10:13 PM
Good stuff, great to get some guidelines.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 23, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
Post by: pob on January 23, 2017, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: CH on January 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
Great work.
These will also be adopted for GCB comp in May
So happy that CH has offered to supply a full set of commercial samples for each judge to tune their palettes for the comp ;)
#alternativefact
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 23, 2017, 03:39:32 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 23, 2017, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: pob on January 23, 2017, 03:29:22 PMQuote from: CH on January 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
Great work.
These will also be adopted for GCB comp in May
So happy that CH has offered to supply a full set of commercial samples for each judge to tune their palettes for the comp ;)
#alternativefact
Very good of him. Looking forward to when he organises the GCB lambic/geuze comp. ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 23, 2017, 06:41:16 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 23, 2017, 06:41:16 PM
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on January 25, 2017, 11:27:56 AM
Post by: LordEoin on January 25, 2017, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: wallacebiy on January 12, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
My Entry is In lads !!!
I feel it in me bones , this years for me ;D ;D ;D
In where? I've no idea where entries are supposed to go.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 25, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Post by: pob on January 25, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: LordEoin on January 25, 2017, 11:27:56 AM
In where? I've no idea where entries are supposed to go.
Contact your local club & their Drop Off locations (http://5.159.47.178/index.php?section=entry)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on January 25, 2017, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: LordEoin on January 25, 2017, 12:23:00 PM
Yeah, i was asking someone in a local club where they managed to drop theirs as it's not covered on that page as far as i can see.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: dcalnan on January 25, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
Post by: dcalnan on January 25, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
Me and John are doing it for Cork, but I don't think it was updated.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on January 25, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
Post by: BrewDorg on January 25, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
Is there any postal address for entries? Looks like I'm the only one round these parts entering, so not worth a trip to Dublin. Could do a Parcel Motel drop to someone if that's acceptable?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Will_D on January 26, 2017, 11:04:17 AM
Post by: Will_D on January 26, 2017, 11:04:17 AM
Quote from: garciaBernal on January 11, 2017, 09:16:43 AMQuote from: tommy on January 10, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
The 'pay your fee' button isnt doing anything for me on the competition page, anyone else experiencing this? Any moderator to help?
I had the same problem last night but if you click on the amount owed beside "Entry Fees to Pay" to the right hand side you can proceed with payment there.
Just reposting this as it was frustrating me that the linky not worky.
There will be a flurry of payment activity in this last week!
Oh BTW:
Only two slots left! 338 out of maximum 340!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 26, 2017, 11:45:25 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 26, 2017, 11:45:25 AM
Bit frustrating that we couldn't see that as it went along like previous years, there will be a load Will that haven't paid but lobbed in entries and will probably end out cancelling them, as in some of us had planned lobbing in an NEIPA but never got round to it :(:-[
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on January 26, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
Post by: wallacebiy on January 26, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: LordEoin on January 25, 2017, 11:27:56 AM
In where? I've no idea where entries are supposed to go.
I meant filled in online and labels printed out
the beer has to get to Dublin yet on the Pony express ..
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 26, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 26, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
I believe there are no more entries allowed on the site entry form
Can we get a "late sign ups" list going, like last year?
I was waiting until this weekend to taste a couple of brews to see where to enter them.
Will be looking to enter at least one, if not two beers.
Late Entry - after non payments are discounted List
1. Des
2.
3.
4.
Can we get a "late sign ups" list going, like last year?
I was waiting until this weekend to taste a couple of brews to see where to enter them.
Will be looking to enter at least one, if not two beers.
Late Entry - after non payments are discounted List
1. Des
2.
3.
4.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on January 26, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Post by: delzep on January 26, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
I canceled 2 entries last night as they weren't up to scratch so that's two spots that could be filled?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 26, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 26, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on January 26, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
I believe there are no more entries allowed on the site entry form
Can we get a "late sign ups" list going, like last year?
I was waiting until this weekend to taste a couple of brews to see where to enter them.
Will be looking to enter at least one, if not two beers.
Late Entry - after non payments are discounted List
1. Des
2.
3.
4.
Im not sure how that can be done tbh I think the organiser was pm'd last year?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 26, 2017, 12:21:08 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on January 26, 2017, 12:21:08 PM
yeah, it was a bit haphazard as I recall, I just think it would be better to have "waiting list" so that when the audit is done to see who's paid and who hasn't then spaces open up there is a "fair" way to get the trailing entries in.
I'm sure it won't take long after the 31st to come up with the number of open spaces of the listen entries that aren't paid up.
I'm sure it won't take long after the 31st to come up with the number of open spaces of the listen entries that aren't paid up.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Hingo on January 26, 2017, 12:31:33 PM
Post by: Hingo on January 26, 2017, 12:31:33 PM
The competition system accomodates a waiting list AFAIK
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on January 26, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
Post by: BrewDorg on January 26, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
Quote from: BrewDorg on January 25, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
Is there any postal address for entries? Looks like I'm the only one round these parts entering, so not worth a trip to Dublin. Could do a Parcel Motel drop to someone if that's acceptable?
Just bumping my question above. Heading to Bulgaria next weekend so want to sort my entries before then.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Will_D on January 26, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
Post by: Will_D on January 26, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
+1
How do people in the stix post entries as there's no address yet??
Entries need to be paid up very soon and still they don't know how to physically enter the bottles?
Not good enough!
Glib answer:
Form/Join a local group and get then to Dublin! [Somehow]
Seriously tho', Can we have postal/PM address for peeps in the stix?
How do people in the stix post entries as there's no address yet??
Entries need to be paid up very soon and still they don't know how to physically enter the bottles?
Not good enough!
Glib answer:
Form/Join a local group and get then to Dublin! [Somehow]
Seriously tho', Can we have postal/PM address for peeps in the stix?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on January 27, 2017, 08:21:05 AM
Post by: imark on January 27, 2017, 08:21:05 AM
Quote from: Hingo on January 26, 2017, 12:31:33 PMIs it enabled?
The competition system accomodates a waiting list AFAIK
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Also the club cup is unclear. Does the club have to choose 5 in advance?
How is this done? And how does the scoring work?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on January 27, 2017, 08:29:35 AM
Post by: BrewDorg on January 27, 2017, 08:29:35 AM
Quote from: Will_D on January 26, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
+1
How do people in the stix post entries as there's no address yet??
Entries need to be paid up very soon and still they don't know how to physically enter the bottles?
Not good enough!
Glib answer:
Form/Join a local group and get then to Dublin! [Somehow]
Seriously tho', Can we have postal/PM address for peeps in the stix?
We have a club and I'm the only one with entries to go in. So I don't want to go to Dublin especially for myself, a postal entry would be great. If it's not an option though I'll have to travel
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 27, 2017, 08:51:43 AM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 27, 2017, 08:51:43 AM
Also the club cup is unclear. Does the club have to choose 5 in advance?
How is this done? And how does the scoring work?
Thanks for any info on this
How is this done? And how does the scoring work?
Thanks for any info on this
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Will_D on January 27, 2017, 04:23:09 PM
Post by: Will_D on January 27, 2017, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: CH on January 26, 2017, 12:14:11 PMQuote from: Beechlawn Brewing on January 26, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
I believe there are no more entries allowed on the site entry form
Can we get a "late sign ups" list going, like last year?
I was waiting until this weekend to taste a couple of brews to see where to enter them.
Will be looking to enter at least one, if not two beers.
Late Entry - after non payments are discounted List
1. Des
2.
3.
4.
Im not sure how that can be done tbh I think the organiser was pm'd last year?
Can this get sorted as I have just had Cahal on the phone!!
1. Des
2. Cahal_Brua
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Cahalbrua on January 27, 2017, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: Cahalbrua on January 27, 2017, 04:26:45 PM
Thanks will, just found this
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Crazyhorse on January 27, 2017, 04:35:12 PM
Post by: Crazyhorse on January 27, 2017, 04:35:12 PM
I'd like to be added to late sign-up list as well thanks.
1. Des
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
1. Des
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on January 27, 2017, 05:44:21 PM
Post by: pob on January 27, 2017, 05:44:21 PM
1. Des
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
4. Damo
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
4. Damo
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Manu on January 27, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
Post by: Manu on January 27, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
1. Des
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
4. Damo
5. Manu
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
4. Damo
5. Manu
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: CC on January 27, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
Post by: CC on January 27, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
1. Des
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
4. Damo
5. Manu
6. Colm
2. Cahal_Brua
3. Brian C
4. Damo
5. Manu
6. Colm
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Cahalbrua on January 28, 2017, 12:26:18 PM
Post by: Cahalbrua on January 28, 2017, 12:26:18 PM
1. Des
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
I was already registered and didn't realise I could still add entries even though registration was closed. So have removed my name.
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2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
I was already registered and didn't realise I could still add entries even though registration was closed. So have removed my name.
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 28, 2017, 03:46:28 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 28, 2017, 03:46:28 PM
Just tried to change one of my cats now and I see "Style entry limit reached" which of course is correct as it one entry per sub cat
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Parky on January 28, 2017, 04:17:35 PM
Post by: Parky on January 28, 2017, 04:17:35 PM
QuoteJust tried to change one of my cats now and I see "Style entry limit reached"
I can see that on the drop down menu for style also, but AFAIK these are only the sub cats you yourself have entries already in, not an overall cap on numbers. It stops folks making more than one entry in a sub cat.
Perhaps double check if you already have an entry in the sub cat you're looking to swop an entry into.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 28, 2017, 05:10:40 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 28, 2017, 05:10:40 PM
My sincerest apologies you are correct, this is what happens when you spend an afternoon tasting and I have just edited my original post to reflect that!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on January 28, 2017, 10:31:41 PM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on January 28, 2017, 10:31:41 PM
1. Des
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on January 28, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
Post by: imark on January 28, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dr Jacoby on January 28, 2017, 10:31:41 PMIs this list going to be used for in fill? I don't think any of the competition organisers have communicated this?
1. Des
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 29, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 29, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
https://youtu.be/-vA72jBDuqQ
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 29, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 29, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Folks, there's over 70 unpaid entries. We'll have a cull of any unpaid entries left by 12 noon Tuesday 31st January. We'll then allow for those on the above list to get their entries in. Same procedure as previous years basically.
Can I ask clubs ensure they have signed up for the bottle sorting or have arranged for their bottles to get there, thanks. Postal address will be given out via PM/email for those that need it. Can't post it online for confidentiality reasons.
Can I ask clubs ensure they have signed up for the bottle sorting or have arranged for their bottles to get there, thanks. Postal address will be given out via PM/email for those that need it. Can't post it online for confidentiality reasons.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on January 29, 2017, 02:48:39 PM
Post by: BrewDorg on January 29, 2017, 02:48:39 PM
Cheers, could I get the postal address PM'd please. I was holding off on payment until I was sure I could send em in!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on January 29, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Post by: imark on January 29, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
1. Des
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
7. imark
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
7. imark
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on January 29, 2017, 07:53:07 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on January 29, 2017, 07:53:07 PM
1. Des
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
7. imark
8. DEMPSEY
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: stubrew on January 29, 2017, 08:26:11 PM
Post by: stubrew on January 29, 2017, 08:26:11 PM
1. Des
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
7. imark
8. DEMPSEY
9. Stubrew
2. Brian C
3. Damo
4. Manu
5. Colm
6. Dr Jacoby
7. imark
8. DEMPSEY
9. Stubrew
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 29, 2017, 09:28:37 PM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on January 29, 2017, 09:28:37 PM
Can someone tell me, on the info pg for entry rules it says I need to attach the entry print our onto the btl. This part I understand but then it says about a recipe sheet also??? I've no idea what that means???
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 29, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 29, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
The only thing that gets attached to your bottle is the labels with your name and entry number. Not the recipe or descriptive, there is a print the labels button.
Note LABELS MUST ONLY BE ATTACHED WITH ELASTIC BANDS or like some last year kids hair bands or one which looked like knicker elastic.
DO NOT USE SELLOTAPE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
Note LABELS MUST ONLY BE ATTACHED WITH ELASTIC BANDS or like some last year kids hair bands or one which looked like knicker elastic.
DO NOT USE SELLOTAPE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 29, 2017, 10:40:52 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 29, 2017, 10:40:52 PM
Just seen this, maybe organisers do want this info this year put in the box with your entry but all previous years it's been binned
The notes about the descriptive are printed along with unique anonymous entry number on the day and it's that what the judges read
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The notes about the descriptive are printed along with unique anonymous entry number on the day and it's that what the judges read
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beernut on January 29, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
Post by: beernut on January 29, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on January 29, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Folks, there's over 70 unpaid entries. We'll have a cull of any unpaid entries left by 12 noon Tuesday 31st January. We'll then allow for those on the above list to get their entries in. Same procedure as previous years basically.
Can I ask clubs ensure they have signed up for the bottle sorting or have arranged for their bottles to get there, thanks. Postal address will be given out via PM/email for those that need it. Can't post it online for confidentiality reasons.
Can you pls send me a pm with the shipping address. Also can you let me know when I need to be shipping....thanks
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 30, 2017, 09:15:26 AM
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 30, 2017, 09:15:26 AM
Those details are on the registration system. Here's (http://5.159.47.178/index.php?section=entry#shipping) a direct link to that info though.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Ciaran on January 30, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
Post by: Ciaran on January 30, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
Just pulled out one of my entries (the berliner weisse) and paid the other 3. Should be a spot free for someone there.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 30, 2017, 11:34:34 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 30, 2017, 11:34:34 AM
+1 just need a refund on mine, emailed with detail 
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 11:43:02 AM
Post by: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: CH on January 30, 2017, 11:34:34 AM
+1 just need a refund on mine, emailed with detail
Are you not familiar with our refunds policy? :P
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 30, 2017, 12:18:50 PM
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 30, 2017, 12:18:50 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on January 29, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Folks, there's over 70 unpaid entries. We'll have a cull of any unpaid entries left by 12 noon Tuesday 31st January. We'll then allow for those on the above list to get their entries in. Same procedure as previous years basically.
Can I ask clubs ensure they have signed up for the bottle sorting or have arranged for their bottles to get there, thanks. Postal address will be given out via PM/email for those that need it. Can't post it online for confidentiality reasons.
If there are still a load of unpaid, I suggest emailing or PMing people today to pay up or lose out. Some people simply forget.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 30, 2017, 12:19:56 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 30, 2017, 12:19:56 PM
Good oul PayPal always there to resolve payment disputes with dodgy Chinamen and iffy beer comps 
Interestingly you can't delete an entry once it's paid.
Interestingly you can't delete an entry once it's paid.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 12:35:20 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: CH on January 30, 2017, 12:19:56 PM
Interestingly you can't delete an entry once it's paid.
Seems to be the case. If you email myself I can manually delete it and then get the treasurer to refund you. :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 30, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on January 30, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
Minus the €4.99 admin fee of course.... :P
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on January 30, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Post by: mick02 on January 30, 2017, 12:58:36 PM
Just a heads up. I know a guy that registered a beer today and paid for it. It seems as though you can register automatically if someone removes an entry. Defeats the purpose of the waiting list
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 30, 2017, 01:07:05 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 30, 2017, 01:07:05 PM
Maybe the way to do it is not delete and let organisers remove unpaid entries that way they control what's allowed back in.
I remember last year everybody was accommodated.
I remember last year everybody was accommodated.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 01:18:02 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 01:18:02 PM
Yep, not sure there is much we can do to counteract people taking out their entries themselves and freeing up a space. We'll make sure everyone on the list gets sorted though. Would like to remind folks that this is our first year without CH doing all the donkey work so that is why we're going with fewer numbers.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Ciaran on January 30, 2017, 01:36:13 PM
Post by: Ciaran on January 30, 2017, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: CH on January 30, 2017, 01:07:05 PM
Maybe the way to do it is not delete and let organisers remove unpaid entries that way they control what's allowed back in.
I remember last year everybody was accommodated.
I'd thought of that but my only options were to pay all 4 together or delete one and pay the remaining 3 by tomorrow. Reckon asking the admin to remove is the way to go if you've multiple entries.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Crazyhorse on January 30, 2017, 04:47:42 PM
Post by: Crazyhorse on January 30, 2017, 04:47:42 PM
I'm sorted and have removed my name from waiting list.
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on January 30, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on January 30, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on January 30, 2017, 01:18:02 PMWe'll make sure everyone on the list gets sorted though.
Sound Thomas
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Sebastian616 on January 31, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
Post by: Sebastian616 on January 31, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
I would like to enter one of my beers if at all possible.
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beernut on January 31, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Post by: beernut on January 31, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Saruman on January 30, 2017, 09:15:26 AM
Those details are on the registration system. Here's (http://5.159.47.178/index.php?section=entry#shipping) a direct link to that info though.
I don't see the shipping address on that link; can I get it please.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
Shipping address PM'd. :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: GlasbrewInc on January 31, 2017, 03:09:22 PM
Post by: GlasbrewInc on January 31, 2017, 03:09:22 PM
Me too 
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
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1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
Alright folks, PMs sent to those looking for entries on the above list. Will have to close it at that. Please make sure all your entries are in the correct categories and ensure your payments are in.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 05:01:30 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 05:01:30 PM
Well done!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on January 31, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on January 31, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
Can waitlisted folks say when they're done changing their entries?
I'd like to start organizing flights + tasting tables...
I'd like to start organizing flights + tasting tables...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 06:19:10 PM
Post by: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 06:19:10 PM
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
11. Craiclad
I'd also love to add a beer or two to the comp if a space becomes free.
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
11. Craiclad
I'd also love to add a beer or two to the comp if a space becomes free.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 06:29:11 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 06:29:11 PM
Think it's closed as said above
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 08:18:43 PM
Post by: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: CH on January 31, 2017, 06:29:11 PM
Think it's closed as said above
Damn! I had written the response out at lunchtime but got caught up with work.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Post by: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 06:19:10 PMI'd also love to add a beer or two to the comp if a space becomes free.
You've 2 unpaid ones in there already ye know? Or do you want 2 more?
Also, make sure to renew your membership. ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
folks, quick question, its my first time entering. Is the only thing I need the bottle label? one for each bottle?
I've no recipe or description or anything added, but I've registered the name of my brew and its category. Is that all I need? It says print the entry form and recipe but I don't know where those forms are?
I've no recipe or description or anything added, but I've registered the name of my brew and its category. Is that all I need? It says print the entry form and recipe but I don't know where those forms are?
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 09:52:36 PM
@craiclad ya chancer 
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
;D I'm sorry! maybe I'm just overtired...
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 09:57:18 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 09:57:18 PM
Your ok, to the right of your entry there is a printer icon, it prints 4, attach 2 per bottle with elastic
Make sure if you have multiple entries you do one at a time others have mixed up entries in the past and obviously they get into wrong cat.
Make sure if you have multiple entries you do one at a time others have mixed up entries in the past and obviously they get into wrong cat.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: bachus on January 31, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
Post by: bachus on January 31, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
Quote from: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
folks, quick question, its my first time entering. Is the only thing I need the bottle label? one for each bottle?
I've no recipe or description or anything added, but I've registered the name of my brew and its category. Is that all I need? It says print the entry form and recipe but I don't know where those forms are?
http://5.159.47.178/index.php (http://5.159.47.178/index.php)
http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf (http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf)
Search your beer entrance category... keywords "Entrant must specify".
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 10:04:21 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 10:04:21 PM
Bacchus be careful not to confuse entrants recipes or entry forms are not needed with bottles, you can add them if you want but they are put in bin at bottle sorting.
What is required is the label securely attached with elastic bands. Some put their 2 entries into polypockets or those a4 plastic covers
Can somebody take a pic as to what their bottle looks like and post it to avoid all this confusion.
What is required is the label securely attached with elastic bands. Some put their 2 entries into polypockets or those a4 plastic covers
Can somebody take a pic as to what their bottle looks like and post it to avoid all this confusion.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 10:06:05 PM
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 10:06:05 PM
Cheers! I have those printed and that part is fine. And it doesn't say I need to specify anything for my particular categories.
It's just a line in the rules that says:
"Completed entry forms and recipe sheets must be submitted with all entries, and can be printed directly from this website."
So I have the entry forms printed off as labels, but I can't figure out where the recipe sheets are, or where I fill mine out, if I have to at all? I see the special ingredients box, but I'm assuming thats different from the recipe sheets? Are they the same thing and I don't have to submit a recipe sheet unless theres a special ingredient I want the judges to know about?
It's just a line in the rules that says:
"Completed entry forms and recipe sheets must be submitted with all entries, and can be printed directly from this website."
So I have the entry forms printed off as labels, but I can't figure out where the recipe sheets are, or where I fill mine out, if I have to at all? I see the special ingredients box, but I'm assuming thats different from the recipe sheets? Are they the same thing and I don't have to submit a recipe sheet unless theres a special ingredient I want the judges to know about?
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 31, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Guys please read this thread fully same questions and answers just keep coming up response #192
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 10:14:46 PM
Post by: beanstalk on January 31, 2017, 10:14:46 PM
Ok got it, missed a day or two there sorry. I don't need a recipe sheet and I don't have any special ingredients to add. Just the label with the details and category etc. Got it! Phew. Sorry now for any facepalms my posts have induced.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
Post by: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on January 31, 2017, 09:26:07 PMQuote from: craiclad on January 31, 2017, 06:19:10 PMI'd also love to add a beer or two to the comp if a space becomes free.
You've 2 unpaid ones in there already ye know? Or do you want 2 more?
Also, make sure to renew your membership. ;)
I don't seem to have an option to pay them? I thought because the amount of entries had already been finalised, they had been rejected. Are they still eligible?
Edit: Nevermind, sorry guys. Turns out I was able to put them through all along. Thanks!
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 01, 2017, 07:18:34 AM
Post by: LordEoin on February 01, 2017, 07:18:34 AM
Quote from: CH on January 31, 2017, 10:04:21 PMThis should help
Can somebody take a pic as to what their bottle looks like and post it to avoid all this confusion.
(http://i.imgur.com/emsF6xD.png)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on February 01, 2017, 08:38:12 AM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on February 01, 2017, 08:38:12 AM
Great we can enter cans! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 01, 2017, 09:16:49 AM
Post by: molc on February 01, 2017, 09:16:49 AM
I'll just leave this here :D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Parky on February 01, 2017, 09:28:37 AM
Post by: Parky on February 01, 2017, 09:28:37 AM
Couldn't resist ;D ;D ;D Best of luck to all brewers !!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 01, 2017, 09:31:18 AM
Post by: Leann ull on February 01, 2017, 09:31:18 AM
Iron Bru, who drinks that "pish"
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 01, 2017, 09:44:15 AM
Post by: molc on February 01, 2017, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: Parky on February 01, 2017, 09:28:37 AMWhat the actual F*CK! My eyes bleed! :DD
Couldn't resist ;D ;D ;D Best of luck to all brewers !!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on February 01, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
Post by: irish_goat on February 01, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
Folks, quick reminder that all late entries need paid by midnight tonight.
As above, print your labels and attach one label per bottle using elastic bands. Each label is taken off and replaced with a unique entry number so please do not use sellotape or glue as this slows down the bottle sorting.
Also make sure to get in touch with your local reps and coordinate getting your entries to the drop points/bottle sorting.
Thanks for entering and don't forget to sign up for stewarding (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2017-national-brewing-championships-call-for-stewards/)or judging (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/national-brewing-championships-2017-call-for-judges/). It's a great day's craic, you get to meet loads of other club members as well as probrewers and we make sure you get fed and watered too. ;D
As above, print your labels and attach one label per bottle using elastic bands. Each label is taken off and replaced with a unique entry number so please do not use sellotape or glue as this slows down the bottle sorting.
Also make sure to get in touch with your local reps and coordinate getting your entries to the drop points/bottle sorting.
Thanks for entering and don't forget to sign up for stewarding (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2017-national-brewing-championships-call-for-stewards/)or judging (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/national-brewing-championships-2017-call-for-judges/). It's a great day's craic, you get to meet loads of other club members as well as probrewers and we make sure you get fed and watered too. ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: bachus on February 01, 2017, 10:57:32 AM
Post by: bachus on February 01, 2017, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: irish_goat on February 01, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
As above, print your labels and attach one label per bottle using elastic bands.
I'm on Grafton St. to collect some elastic bands. Lot of bicycle parings here...
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 01, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: LordEoin on February 01, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: Parky on February 01, 2017, 09:28:37 AMpon pon pon FTW, right up there with CANDY CANDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoK8DaJRDaM)
Couldn't resist ;D ;D ;D Best of luck to all brewers !!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on February 01, 2017, 11:53:44 AM
Post by: SlugTrap on February 01, 2017, 11:53:44 AM
All you latecomers put your entries in?
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: GlasbrewInc on February 01, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
Post by: GlasbrewInc on February 01, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
Yep it's in
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: CC on February 01, 2017, 02:06:46 PM
Post by: CC on February 01, 2017, 02:06:46 PM
yep i just got my entries in and paid.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Damo on February 01, 2017, 05:48:35 PM
Post by: Damo on February 01, 2017, 05:48:35 PM
I'm done :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 01, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 01, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: stubrew on February 02, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
Post by: stubrew on February 02, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
1. Des
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
5. Dr Jacoby
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
8. Stubrew
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
2. Damo
3. Manu
4. Colm
6. imark
7. DEMPSEY
9. Sebastian
10. GlasBrewInc
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on February 02, 2017, 11:30:40 AM
Post by: irish_goat on February 02, 2017, 11:30:40 AM
Few late entries left to be paid lads. Will have to completely close tonight just.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Deemon147 on February 02, 2017, 05:41:06 PM
Post by: Deemon147 on February 02, 2017, 05:41:06 PM
I just saw this today that payment was needed last night, I had three beers registered? Does that mean they are gonezo? :-[
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Hingo on February 02, 2017, 10:15:52 PM
Post by: Hingo on February 02, 2017, 10:15:52 PM
Quote from: Deemon147 on February 02, 2017, 05:41:06 PMUnless you paid before the deadline, yep. Also the 31st was the deadline (Tuesday)
I just saw this today that payment was needed last night, I had three beers registered? Does that mean they are gonezo? :-[
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on February 07, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on February 07, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
2017 National Brewing Championships - Medal Categories
Last year's Championship medal categories had:
- Categories with 1 or 2 entries
- A few beers won medals with no real competition
- Categories with 30+ entries
- Worthy beers may have been overlooked in mini-Best-in-Shows
This year, we wanted to spread out the entries as evenly as possible but still group styles together in a way that makes sense.
That's why the NHC is using these new categories for judging + awarding medals at Nationals:
The 2017 National Brewing Championships Medal Categories (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YayAs1YIxi_Gf0ksFP1FhiEYlyZ7JemZvR7HC44FBzY/edit?usp=sharing)
FAQ
How did you come up with these categories?
We started with Appendix A (5) in the Guidelines, then tweaked by style family.
Why is [this style] lumped together with/broken out from [this other style]?
Numbers.
Less frequently-brewed styles - lagers, for example - were amalgamated with others like it.
Popular styles like IPAs were split up.
Does this hurt my chances?
Not if you make good beer! ;)
For someone who made a Munich Dunkel, there are more horses in your race than there would've been last year.
But for the average NHC member who made, say, a stout, your odds of winning have probably gone up.
Are you allowed to do this?
Definitely.
From the 2015 BJCP Beer Style Guidelines (http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf), page iv:
"There is no requirement that competitions use style categories as award categories! Individual styles can be grouped in any fashion to create desired award categories in competition, for instance to balance out the number of entries in each award category."
If you have any more questions, feel free to contact me directly.
And good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 07, 2017, 05:50:25 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 07, 2017, 05:50:25 PM
Nice job and a fair mix, Baltic Porter is in an interesting group tho
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 07, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 07, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
Thanks for that Richard. Very useful.
Just to put the Cat amongst the pigeons, could we try the following as a way to ensure that a brewer doesn't end up competing with themselves:
If you are unlucky enough to have two of your entries appear in the same merged category but lucky enough to have both beers in medal positions, the beer in the lower medal position is awarded the same number of points as the next medal position up. An example: suppose I get a gold and a bronze in the same merged category, I am awarded the standard number of points for the gold but the bronze gets treated in points terms as if it is a silver medal beer. The actual silver medal beer is unaffected and the beer in fourth place gets nothing, as normal. In effect, this eliminates competition against one of your own beers. Any downsides?
Just to put the Cat amongst the pigeons, could we try the following as a way to ensure that a brewer doesn't end up competing with themselves:
If you are unlucky enough to have two of your entries appear in the same merged category but lucky enough to have both beers in medal positions, the beer in the lower medal position is awarded the same number of points as the next medal position up. An example: suppose I get a gold and a bronze in the same merged category, I am awarded the standard number of points for the gold but the bronze gets treated in points terms as if it is a silver medal beer. The actual silver medal beer is unaffected and the beer in fourth place gets nothing, as normal. In effect, this eliminates competition against one of your own beers. Any downsides?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 07, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 07, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Quote from: Dr Jacoby on February 07, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
Thanks for that Richard. Very useful.
Just to put the Cat amongst the pigeons, could we try the following as a way to ensure that a brewer doesn't end up competing with themselves:
If you are unlucky enough to have two of your entries appear in the same merged category but lucky enough to have both beers in medal positions, the beer in the lower medal position is awarded the same number of points as the next medal position up. An example: suppose I get a gold and a bronze in the same merged category, I am awarded the standard number of points for the gold but the bronze gets treated in points terms as if it is a silver medal beer. The actual silver medal beer is unaffected and the beer in fourth place gets nothing, as normal. In effect, this eliminates competition against one of your own beers. Any downsides?
I think this is actually a really good idea. No one gets penalised and you don't end up competing against yourself. Once it only relates to points and not actual medals then i can't think of any downsides.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on February 07, 2017, 10:40:58 PM
Post by: Pheeel on February 07, 2017, 10:40:58 PM
I don't get it
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 08, 2017, 07:05:02 AM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 08, 2017, 07:05:02 AM
It would make the competition for best overall brewer a little bit fairer.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on February 08, 2017, 12:09:22 PM
Post by: Simon_ on February 08, 2017, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: CH on February 07, 2017, 05:50:25 PMYeah Kolsch V Baltic Porter is the one odd matchup
Nice job and a fair mix, Baltic Porter is in an interesting group tho
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Hingo on February 08, 2017, 12:13:04 PM
Post by: Hingo on February 08, 2017, 12:13:04 PM
California Common is bottom fermenting... Just saying...
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on February 08, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on February 08, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
Quote from: Dr Jacoby on February 07, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
Just to put the Cat amongst the pigeons, could we try the following as a way to ensure that a brewer doesn't end up competing with themselves... Any downsides?
What about the brewer who is knowingly competing against themselves by entering, say, a weiss and a dunkelweiss? To be truly equal, this points system would need to apply to brewers with more than one entry in any category, not just the merged categories.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on February 08, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on February 08, 2017, 01:24:26 PM
Quote from: Simon_ on February 08, 2017, 12:09:22 PM
Yeah Kolsch V Baltic Porter is the one odd matchup
Quote from: Hingo on February 08, 2017, 12:13:04 PM
California Common is bottom fermenting... Just saying...
Baltic Porter can use a lager yeast, too.
Common thread here is some mix of lager + ale ingredients or techniques.
2008 Guidelines called these "Hybrid Beer" so let's go with that title for this category.
(Labels are cosmetic; it's the spread of entries that matters.)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 08, 2017, 01:44:15 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 08, 2017, 01:44:15 PM
Ignore us Richard, they are good groupings ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Hingo on February 08, 2017, 01:44:16 PM
Post by: Hingo on February 08, 2017, 01:44:16 PM
I think what you have there is fine. There's always going to be grounds to question small details, if you apply 80/20 rule here (80% of your time dealing with the 20% of causes) we'll be at this until the 2028 competition
And I don't mean that in a "it works for the majority, don't mind the rest" sense, more of a case that there might not be any issues from, but if it turns out there is, when. It happens deal with it then.
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And I don't mean that in a "it works for the majority, don't mind the rest" sense, more of a case that there might not be any issues from, but if it turns out there is, when. It happens deal with it then.
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 08, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 08, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: SlugTrap on February 08, 2017, 12:49:02 PMQuote from: Dr Jacoby on February 07, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
Just to put the Cat amongst the pigeons, could we try the following as a way to ensure that a brewer doesn't end up competing with themselves... Any downsides?
What about the brewer who is knowingly competing against themselves by entering, say, a weiss and a dunkelweiss? To be truly equal, this points system would need to apply to brewers with more than one entry in any category, not just the merged categories.
They are good groupings and fair play to you guys for changing it up this year. I thought that Dr Jacoby's idea was a fair way so that brewers are not penalized if their beers are grouped together. If a brewer intentionally brewed beers that had a high likelihood of ending up in the same groupings then tough shit. Problem with this is that it's impossible to administer.
I think that the format of this years competition is well thought through. Fair play again for shaking it up this year.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 08, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Post by: molc on February 08, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Aye good groupings and thanks for getting that information out to the membership - the transparency really helps people to understand how things are working within the competition.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on February 09, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
Post by: rebel on February 09, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
Are results after 1st leg, going to be put up on facebook or twitter or on forum. ?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Hingo on February 09, 2017, 11:29:14 AM
Post by: Hingo on February 09, 2017, 11:29:14 AM
Usually the forum, but unsure if theyll wait until the final leg, maybe get word of medal Winners IIRC from last year
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 09, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 09, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: rebel on February 09, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
Are results after 1st leg, going to be put up on facebook or twitter or on forum. ?
The winners from the first leg last year knew the results of the judged categories before the second leg.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on February 09, 2017, 02:00:12 PM
Post by: Drzava on February 09, 2017, 02:00:12 PM
Whoops. Was waiting for details of Cork drop offs...........and promptly forgot about the whole thing and never remembered to drop / ship my beer!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on February 09, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
Post by: Simon_ on February 09, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
Was it going to win?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on February 09, 2017, 02:08:04 PM
Post by: Drzava on February 09, 2017, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: Simon_ on February 09, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
Was it going to win?
Highly unlikely! ;D Was just interested in feedback etc. Oh well, more beer for me! ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 02:58:48 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 02:58:48 PM
Quote from: Drzava on January 16, 2017, 08:22:22 AMQuote from: Drzava on January 12, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
In the interim, should we just put in the 'shipping' option for drop off etc? Can't register without picking something! I appreciate BTW that all this 'background' work takes for more effort than may realise!
Just wondering if anyone has guidance on this? Don't want to miss the boat like I did last year!
I wish I had a quid for every time Dcalnan and Johnrm mentioned it
If you hadn't paid for it it would have been deleted, if you have paid for it can you let the organisers know as otherwise they will be hunting for your bottle.
^-^
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:01:16 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: rebel on February 09, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
Are results after 1st leg, going to be put up on facebook or twitter or on forum. ?
Nope wasn't in previous years, Medals are awarded but full list is only published after final leg in Dublin to keep excitement going for best brewer ;), tbh much easier to do it at the end in any case.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 09, 2017, 03:07:31 PM
Post by: molc on February 09, 2017, 03:07:31 PM
I think we knew last year on the forums before the second leg. It was nice to know on the day I have to say.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:11:46 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:11:46 PM
let me go hunt
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Quote from: CH on February 09, 2017, 03:11:46 PM
let me go hunt
Fair Fecks to Johnrm for organising it last year,
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/national-brewing-championships-2016-belfast-winners!/
maybe it was previous years, its more exciting imho without as if a brewer wins 5 gold in Kildare, shows over, anyway Slugtraps call
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on February 09, 2017, 03:24:30 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on February 09, 2017, 03:24:30 PM
Quote from: Drzava on February 09, 2017, 02:00:12 PMI'm kind of in the same boat.
Whoops. Was waiting for details of Cork drop offs...........and promptly forgot about the whole thing and never remembered to drop / ship my beer!
I had arranged with someone (on trust, I had an issue at the weekend that meant dropping wasn't going to happen for me), but now I can't get my labels.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
If your entries are paid go out to the bottle sorting you should still be able to get them in?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on February 09, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
Post by: pob on February 09, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: CH on February 09, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Fair Fecks to Johnrm for organising it last year,
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/national-brewing-championships-2016-belfast-winners!/
maybe it was previous years, its more exciting imho without as if a brewer wins 5 gold in Kildare, shows over, anyway Slugtraps call
nah, 2015 (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/2015/02/results-1st-leg-2015-national-brewing-championships/) as well
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:49:54 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 03:49:54 PM
Oh FFS ;D :P
These people that open their presents at 5am on Christmas Day :D
These people that open their presents at 5am on Christmas Day :D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on February 09, 2017, 03:54:58 PM
Post by: pob on February 09, 2017, 03:54:58 PM
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/christmas_back_home.png)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
I drug my lot they are never up before 9 >:D
Ok so back on topic, so I guess they will be posted after event if previous years are anything to go by ;D
Ok so back on topic, so I guess they will be posted after event if previous years are anything to go by ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on February 09, 2017, 05:08:47 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on February 09, 2017, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: CH on February 09, 2017, 03:46:55 PMYeah but the labels aren't available through the system
If your entries are paid go out to the bottle sorting you should still be able to get them in?
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 05:23:43 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 09, 2017, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on February 09, 2017, 05:08:47 PMQuote from: CH on February 09, 2017, 03:46:55 PMYeah but the labels aren't available through the system
If your entries are paid go out to the bottle sorting you should still be able to get them in?
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Rock up and your entries will make it in, I think Pob is co-ordinating
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drzava on February 10, 2017, 11:38:35 AM
Post by: Drzava on February 10, 2017, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: CH on February 09, 2017, 05:23:43 PM
Rock up and your entries will make it in, I think Pob is co-ordinating
Where's that on CH - I'm presuming 'up the country'?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 10, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 10, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
Bottle sorting IS ON this Sunday at 10 am . http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2017-national-brewing-championships-bottle-sorting/
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on February 16, 2017, 10:23:19 AM
Post by: imark on February 16, 2017, 10:23:19 AM
Quote from: rebel on February 09, 2017, 11:14:06 AMIs there any update from the organisers about this question?
Are results after 1st leg, going to be put up on facebook or twitter or on forum. ?
Also, what is the situation with the club cup entries. Do the 5 selected need to be notified to someone before this weekend?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DoubleG on February 16, 2017, 10:30:05 AM
Post by: DoubleG on February 16, 2017, 10:30:05 AM
What categories are being judged this weekend? Or has that been decided yet?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on February 16, 2017, 10:33:09 AM
Post by: irish_goat on February 16, 2017, 10:33:09 AM
We can announce medal winners from this weekend on the forum yes. Maybe give us until Sunday as it's normally pretty hectic during the day.
Club reps have been pinged RE: Club cup. This will be awarded at Alfie Byrne's.
And we don't release which categories are judged until afterwards. :)
Club reps have been pinged RE: Club cup. This will be awarded at Alfie Byrne's.
And we don't release which categories are judged until afterwards. :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on February 16, 2017, 12:09:22 PM
Post by: irish_goat on February 16, 2017, 12:09:22 PM
For anyone getting the train out, the 8.25 will get you in with plenty of time and costs €8.10. Looking to have everyone there for 9.30am.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on February 16, 2017, 02:37:23 PM
Post by: phoenix on February 16, 2017, 02:37:23 PM
What are the rules of the club cup?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Will_D on February 16, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
Post by: Will_D on February 16, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on February 16, 2017, 10:33:09 AMErr WHY?
And we don't release which categories are judged until afterwards. :)
Surely people who have entered a cat tha'ts being judged in the first location have the right to attend for the annoucements or is the first comp "Closed doors"
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Jonnycheech on February 17, 2017, 07:34:10 AM
Post by: Jonnycheech on February 17, 2017, 07:34:10 AM
Any heads up for judges on what styles they'll be on? Been awhile since i judged, could do with some practice.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 17, 2017, 08:21:30 AM
Post by: Leann ull on February 17, 2017, 08:21:30 AM
Log in and you can see what you have been assigned
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Jonnycheech on February 17, 2017, 08:32:01 AM
Post by: Jonnycheech on February 17, 2017, 08:32:01 AM
Cheers, didn't see that before!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: ronnieb on February 17, 2017, 09:06:38 PM
Post by: ronnieb on February 17, 2017, 09:06:38 PM
What time will this be winding down? Living in straffan these days and funnily enough meeting people in the Lock tomorrow night.
Be good to maybe see some of the South Dublin crew!
Be good to maybe see some of the South Dublin crew!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Motorbikeman on February 17, 2017, 09:08:23 PM
Post by: Motorbikeman on February 17, 2017, 09:08:23 PM
Heading down with a pram and toddler. Will be great to meet some of ye all.
Kenny.
Kenny.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Drum on February 18, 2017, 01:14:06 AM
Post by: Drum on February 18, 2017, 01:14:06 AM
Just wanted to wish everyone a good day tomorrow, entrants, organisers, stewards, judges and anyone else involved may the force be with all of ye.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: helmet on February 18, 2017, 08:21:06 AM
Post by: helmet on February 18, 2017, 08:21:06 AM
All the best!
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 18, 2017, 11:36:53 AM
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 18, 2017, 11:36:53 AM
Up and running
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
Are the medal results going to be posted on forum today ? :-[
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on February 18, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Post by: pob on February 18, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Hopefully later this afternoon
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 18, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 18, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Medals. Are you getting one ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 02:37:12 PM
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 02:37:12 PM
Ah the suspense!!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dunkel on February 18, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
Post by: Dunkel on February 18, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
Think the medal on the left has my name on it :P
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 02:54:44 PM
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 02:54:44 PM
Any results
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 18, 2017, 03:02:41 PM
Post by: molc on February 18, 2017, 03:02:41 PM
I'd say they're still hard at work. It's a massive job compiling all that data. Hats off to the team working their asses off today.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 03:10:01 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 03:10:01 PM
Just finished judging the stouts there. 3 medalists selected. Good luck all
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 06:56:31 PM
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 06:56:31 PM
any results to post
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
Your like a expectant father, results on Twitter, didn't see any winners in Cork.
I'm sure they will all be posted in next 24hours as at this stage I would hope the organisers would be getting sloshed after all their hard work today
, results on Twitter, didn't see any winners in Cork.I'm sure they will all be posted in next 24hours as at this stage I would hope the organisers would be getting sloshed after all their hard work today
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 07:29:04 PM
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 07:29:04 PM
Quote from: CH on February 18, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
Your like a pregnant father
Can you post a link? Can't see it on the clubs twitter.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:31:50 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:31:50 PM
It's not on NHC account, patience lads it'll all be published by organisers in due course.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on February 18, 2017, 07:32:05 PM
Post by: BrewDorg on February 18, 2017, 07:32:05 PM
Was one medal from Lee Valley afair. Wee County cleaned up
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
Great day for wee county! Congrats to all involved it was a great day. Check my twitter, I live streamed the results
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:34:03 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:34:03 PM
No sound tho Mick;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 18, 2017, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: molc on February 18, 2017, 07:35:00 PM
Hes a bloody tease so he is ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on February 18, 2017, 07:35:13 PM
Post by: beanstalk on February 18, 2017, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
Great day for wee county! Congrats to all involved it was a great day. Check my twitter, I live streamed the results
Have you a link?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
Well done to Wee County another club on the rise
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
I periscoped it. Check my twitter @mickotoole
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 18, 2017, 07:40:46 PM
Post by: LordEoin on February 18, 2017, 07:40:46 PM
what categories were done today?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:42:32 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:42:32 PM
I missed the first few categories though sorry
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 07:43:36 PM
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 07:43:36 PM
Quote from: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
I periscoped it. Check my twitter @mickotoole
No sound on the video!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:43:50 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: CH on February 18, 2017, 07:34:03 PMDid I forget to turn up the volume?
No sound tho Mick;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 18, 2017, 07:46:04 PM
Post by: LordEoin on February 18, 2017, 07:46:04 PM
yeah, I've no sound either. Ah well :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
Shite, sorry lads. I did my best. POB took some pics of the score sheet I think
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
All winners and cats will be put up tomorrow! I'm clocked off and having a well deserved pint 😉
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 07:51:07 PM
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 07:51:07 PM
kellie i know you had a hard day but many people are waiting around for results. :(
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: helmet on February 18, 2017, 07:51:30 PM
Post by: helmet on February 18, 2017, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: CH on February 18, 2017, 07:36:07 PMLouth and Proud, 'mon the Wee!
Well done to Wee County another club on the rise
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 07:51:56 PM
Post by: eoghanr on February 18, 2017, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
All winners and cats will be put up tomorrow! I'm clocked off and having a well deserved pint 😉
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Cheers! Well deserved!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
Post by: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
And no one has full pics of the winner page that I hand wrote! Only myself to be fair to all! 😀
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 07:54:37 PM
Post by: rebel on February 18, 2017, 07:54:37 PM
thanks kellie can i have link
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on February 18, 2017, 07:58:54 PM
Post by: beanstalk on February 18, 2017, 07:58:54 PM
Looking forward to tomorrow! :) well done to all.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: cronan on February 18, 2017, 08:00:58 PM
Post by: cronan on February 18, 2017, 08:00:58 PM
Congrats to all, good to hear the Wee County done well. Roll on the second leg.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on February 18, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Post by: molc on February 18, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 07:50:00 PMEnjoy and yet again thanks for all the hard work you put in. It's an exhausting day!
All winners and cats will be put up tomorrow! I'm clocked off and having a well deserved pint 😉
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: CClinton48 on February 18, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
Post by: CClinton48 on February 18, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
An Lú Abu! Congrats lads!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 08:06:44 PM
Post by: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: rebel on February 18, 2017, 07:54:37 PMit's here (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41MKoruNMUL._AC_UL260_SR200,260_.jpg)
thanks kellie can i have link
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dunkel on February 18, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
Post by: Dunkel on February 18, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 18, 2017, 08:10:23 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 18, 2017, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 08:06:44 PM:D :D :DQuote from: rebel on February 18, 2017, 07:54:37 PMit's here (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41MKoruNMUL._AC_UL260_SR200,260_.jpg)
thanks kellie can i have link
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 08:11:16 PM
Post by: Kellie on February 18, 2017, 08:11:16 PM
Get outa my handbag Ronan 😉
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Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 08:34:33 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 08:34:33 PM
Organisation and venue looked great on Twitter well done to all, I hear from someone that was there our Treasurer performed to his usual standard in the Wheats 
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 08:38:21 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 18, 2017, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: CH on February 18, 2017, 08:34:33 PMYes, clean sweep in the wheats. Someone mentioned that it could be first time it has ever happened at the Irish nationals
Organisation and venue looked great on Twitter well done to all, I hear from someone that was there our Treasurer performed to his usual standard in the Wheats
The venue was excellent and we were well looked after. It ran as smooth as clockwork. Well done to all involved. It takes a lot of work behind the scenes to get everything organised. No mean feat.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Post by: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
The venue was great and the staff were brilliant.
The day went very smoothly hopefully Dublin will be the same.
The day went very smoothly hopefully Dublin will be the same.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 18, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
No not the first to win an entire cat but fair fecks to him, well deserved and I know that style is his passion.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on February 18, 2017, 08:57:24 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on February 18, 2017, 08:57:24 PM
Quote from: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
The venue was great and the staff were brilliant.
The day went very smoothly hopefully Dublin will be the same.
Look's like a nice spot.
When's Bren's beer available?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 09:04:11 PM
Post by: beerfly on February 18, 2017, 09:04:11 PM
Still a bit of work to do. I'm sure he will have it up here when it's up and running.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on February 18, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on February 18, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
Fair play to everyone involved on the day today, and in the organisation in the lead up too.
Looked a great day from twitter, WhatsApp and everything.
Looked a great day from twitter, WhatsApp and everything.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on February 19, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Post by: wallacebiy on February 19, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Can ye organise a ppv stream next year ?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 19, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
Post by: Leann ull on February 19, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
Or those that want it could
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 19, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
Post by: LordEoin on February 19, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
There was a youtube stream a couple of years ago but there wasn't much to see really.
it should be easy enough to do a facebook live stream off the NHC facebook.
It might be good for just the results part or something :)
it should be easy enough to do a facebook live stream off the NHC facebook.
It might be good for just the results part or something :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on February 19, 2017, 02:42:12 PM
Post by: mick02 on February 19, 2017, 02:42:12 PM
If I got my arse in gear yesterday that periscope stream would have worked fine I think. I'm not non Facebook but I reckon any live stream for the results would be welcome. I know how frustrating it is waiting on results when you have a beer in the competition.
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 02:54:49 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on February 19, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
There was a youtube stream a couple of years ago but there wasn't much to see really.
That was grim.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 19, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 19, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
There are loads of things that could be done like live scanning of pages posting of results, live update with scoreboard of results medal winners, but these all need resources and current organisers already have their hands full with ensuring comp runs well which they did exceptionally well yesterday.
Comes back to the same discussion again and again same bodies doing all the work to ask these same people to do more is unfair in my opinion, more volunteers are required to help. You don't even need to ask just announce I'm helping with the streaming or the scanning or the .... whatever you feel your contribution to improve the competition to bring it to the next level would be.
Comes back to the same discussion again and again same bodies doing all the work to ask these same people to do more is unfair in my opinion, more volunteers are required to help. You don't even need to ask just announce I'm helping with the streaming or the scanning or the .... whatever you feel your contribution to improve the competition to bring it to the next level would be.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:38:25 PM
Post by: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on February 19, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Can ye organise a ppv stream next year ?
Vids now added, from the Leg 1 medals ceremony in Lock 13, Sallins (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/kildare-calling-round-1-results!!!/)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
https://youtu.be/NOt8MeMcAsI
Judging from yesterday
* yeah, yeah, I know - hold the phone the right way up next time :-[
Judging from yesterday
* yeah, yeah, I know - hold the phone the right way up next time :-[
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on February 19, 2017, 05:11:27 PM
Post by: imark on February 19, 2017, 05:11:27 PM
Are the scoresheets getting published?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Kellie on February 19, 2017, 06:00:18 PM
Post by: Kellie on February 19, 2017, 06:00:18 PM
Yes after the 2nd round as usual :)
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 19, 2017, 06:18:48 PM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on February 19, 2017, 06:18:48 PM
A half time show with cheerleaders and local celebrities would be good too
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 19, 2017, 06:27:11 PM
Post by: LordEoin on February 19, 2017, 06:27:11 PM
and blackjack and hookers
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on February 19, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Post by: imark on February 19, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
I'm trying not to channel my inner 3yr old 
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 06:36:57 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:38:25 PMQuote from: wallacebiy on February 19, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Can ye organise a ppv stream next year ?
Vids now added, from the Leg 1 medals ceremony in Lock 13, Sallins (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/kildare-calling-round-1-results!!!/)
Cool. Was not expecting that.
Will be at the awards in Dublin (strictly for the crack) and would be more than happy to help with scanning scoresheets.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: imark on February 19, 2017, 06:39:36 PM
Post by: imark on February 19, 2017, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 06:36:57 PMGood man. I endorse this effortQuote from: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:38:25 PMQuote from: wallacebiy on February 19, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Can ye organise a ppv stream next year ?
Vids now added, from the Leg 1 medals ceremony in Lock 13, Sallins (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/kildare-calling-round-1-results!!!/)
Cool. Was not expecting that.
Will be at the awards in Dublin (strictly for the crack) and would be more than happy to help with scanning scoresheets.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on February 19, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on February 19, 2017, 06:27:11 PM
and blackjack and hookers
Blackjack, eh? Man, you've slowed down...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on February 20, 2017, 06:59:25 AM
Post by: LordEoin on February 20, 2017, 06:59:25 AM
Kids'll suck the life out of any man.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on February 20, 2017, 01:31:25 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on February 20, 2017, 01:31:25 PM
Quote from: pob on February 19, 2017, 03:38:25 PMQuote from: wallacebiy on February 19, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Can ye organise a ppv stream next year ?
Vids now added, from the Leg 1 medals ceremony in Lock 13, Sallins (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/kildare-calling-round-1-results!!!/)
Sound
I was only messing , although , Mcgregor gets great PPV numbers , so if we could get him Judging , maybe we'd make a serious packet out of the stream .....
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on February 20, 2017, 01:45:37 PM
Post by: irish_goat on February 20, 2017, 01:45:37 PM
Facebook Live is something we could probably try. My only worry would be the sound quality but sure we can only try. Will see if the laptop can facilitate it next weekend.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on February 20, 2017, 03:00:52 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on February 20, 2017, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: irish_goat on February 20, 2017, 01:45:37 PM
Facebook Live is something we could probably try. My only worry would be the sound quality but sure we can only try. Will see if the laptop can facilitate it next weekend.
Facebook live would be a good one alright ,
It needn't be a whole day feed , but a few updates for 5 or ten minutes every hour or so might be fun and garner a few hits .
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 20, 2017, 09:30:37 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 20, 2017, 09:30:37 PM
Just putting it up here for next year. NO FLIP TOPS >:D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 20, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 20, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
Really did you have fun?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: dcalnan on February 20, 2017, 09:46:34 PM
Post by: dcalnan on February 20, 2017, 09:46:34 PM
Big stability problems with stacking crates as well.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on February 20, 2017, 10:37:56 PM
Post by: Leann ull on February 20, 2017, 10:37:56 PM
Indeed
Swedish HBComp you are specified the 500ml bottle supplier, but as Trump says look what's going on there.
Swedish HBComp you are specified the 500ml bottle supplier, but as Trump says look what's going on there.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: nigel_c on February 23, 2017, 05:11:43 PM
Post by: nigel_c on February 23, 2017, 05:11:43 PM
Next year get O'Hara's to sponsor the comp and accept only their bottles. Sorted.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on February 23, 2017, 05:57:03 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on February 23, 2017, 05:57:03 PM
I think the main thing is that people get plenty of notice of what the bottle type requirements are.
(Didn't use flip tops this year.)
(Didn't use flip tops this year.)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on February 23, 2017, 06:41:24 PM
Post by: beanstalk on February 23, 2017, 06:41:24 PM
Kinnegar bottles are slightly taller too.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 03, 2017, 03:16:25 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 03, 2017, 03:16:25 PM
Best of luck all tomorrow !!
I've a good feeling in my Bones !!!
This years for Me !!!
I've a good feeling in my Bones !!!
This years for Me !!!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on March 03, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
Post by: rebel on March 03, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
:D That gold medal is already in the post I hear.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 07:19:32 AM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 07:19:32 AM
Bonne Chance to all entrants stewards, judges and organisers today.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: akavango on March 04, 2017, 09:21:09 AM
Post by: akavango on March 04, 2017, 09:21:09 AM
Will you be able to see the score of your beers on the competition website?
Good luck all.
Good luck all.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: eoghanr on March 04, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Post by: eoghanr on March 04, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
Very quiet in this thread! Any updates on how judging is going?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 05:20:55 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 05:20:55 PM
I think we learned a lesson in patience 2 weeks ago ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:07:58 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:07:58 PM
www.periscope.tv/w/a4moOjFKUkVtYVlWZFJFUHl8MVBsSlFaZXJWUll4RahTpMg93IgT6KDnGhAuFnLytF8G5reA2ttWSi95sLZL
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Belfast cleaning up!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:22:18 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:22:18 PM
oh nice one, thanks.
is this live?
is this live?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
ooh, i won something!
was changing a noisy child's nappy at the time, but heard me name anyway ;)
was changing a noisy child's nappy at the time, but heard me name anyway ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:32:34 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:32:34 PM
well done Liffey Brewers
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:33:18 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:33:18 PM
Liffey best brewers wow!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 06:34:11 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 06:34:11 PM
Well done all
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Thanks for the stream Mick and well done on the win!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
You're welcome John, thanks! Hope the quality was ok
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:42:33 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 06:42:33 PM
The quality's great. I'm watching it back now cos i missed the start.
Thanks for making the effort <3
Thanks for making the effort <3
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: dcalnan on March 04, 2017, 07:07:05 PM
Post by: dcalnan on March 04, 2017, 07:07:05 PM
Will I collect the medal for you Eoin?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 04, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
That'd be great, thank you
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on March 04, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on March 04, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
Thanks for recording that mick. I just got home and logged on to see any news . Saw the link clicked on it and my name was called out 10 seconds later. My heart was thumping. I genuinely didn't believe it. Logged on again stood nxt to wife and no mention of me. I realised it was live so downloaded and relistened.
.......... Totally made my entire year so far... tytyty for re recording. Still in shock I won a gold medal. Seeing it called out made it UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME !
.......... Totally made my entire year so far... tytyty for re recording. Still in shock I won a gold medal. Seeing it called out made it UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME !
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 07:42:10 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: LASERBOY147 on March 04, 2017, 07:30:11 PMHa ha, no worries, glad you for to watch. Congrats on the medal
Thanks for recording that mick. I just got home and logged on to see any news . Saw the link clicked on it and my name was called out 10 seconds later. My heart was thumping. I genuinely didn't believe it. Logged on again stood nxt to wife and no mention of me. I realised it was live so downloaded and relistened.
.......... Totally made my entire year so far... tytyty for re recording. Still in shock I won a gold medal. Seeing it called out made it UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME !
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on March 04, 2017, 07:51:47 PM
Post by: BrewDorg on March 04, 2017, 07:51:47 PM
Any results list floating about? :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on March 04, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on March 04, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: LASERBOY147 on March 04, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
Thanks for recording that mick. I just got home and logged on to see any news . Saw the link clicked on it and my name was called out 10 seconds later. My heart was thumping. I genuinely didn't believe it. Logged on again stood nxt to wife and no mention of me. I realised it was live so downloaded and relistened.
.......... Totally made my entire year so far... tytyty for re recording. Still in shock I won a gold medal. Seeing it called out made it UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME !
That's what it's all about, well done!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:14:46 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:14:46 PM
I'm confused
Neither of the categories I entered were announced ?
Was there a change in the groupings ?
Neither of the categories I entered were announced ?
Was there a change in the groupings ?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on March 04, 2017, 08:19:12 PM
Post by: rebel on March 04, 2017, 08:19:12 PM
not all the cats seem to be announced in the clips.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
I'm sure after hangovers clear they will be announced tomorrow.
Can you not see your scores on comp site, they are usually posted live?
Can you not see your scores on comp site, they are usually posted live?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:26:45 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:26:45 PM
There was medals for " Spice and fruit beer "
so I presume my 30A Vanilla stout was in that .
But where did 15C end up ?
so I presume my 30A Vanilla stout was in that .
But where did 15C end up ?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: oblivious on March 04, 2017, 08:28:15 PM
Post by: oblivious on March 04, 2017, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: CH on March 04, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
I'm sure after hangovers clear they will be announced tomorrow.
Can you not see your scores on comp site, they are usually posted live?
Is there a link?
Please :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 08:30:18 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 08:30:18 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:26:45 PMI was stewarding that table and tasted your beer.
There was medals for " Spice and fruit beer "
so I presume my 30A Vanilla stout was in that .
But where did 15C end up ?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:32:38 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 08:32:38 PM
Lucky lad Mick !!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
:D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: mick02 on March 04, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
:D
I reckon that was the last bottle
It got slaughtered down here
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Skittlebrau on March 04, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
Post by: Skittlebrau on March 04, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
Watched the results feed, very exciting stuff. Managed to bag the bos but a little embarrassed now as I had hoped to help with the judging today but moving house this weekend. Atmosphere looks great on the video, well done to all involved and apologies for not making it to help out today.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Rosmucman on March 04, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
Post by: Rosmucman on March 04, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
I'm the lad with the name yee had trouble with :) Seosamh O Conaire.
I'm delighted to have won a gold
Thanks lads for all the hard work yee put in!
I'm delighted to have won a gold
Thanks lads for all the hard work yee put in!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
29A Fruit Beer 29B Fruit and Spice Beer 29C Speciality Fruit Beer 30A Spice, Herb, or Vegetable Beer
Were these four categories pushed in together ?
Were these four categories pushed in together ?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 04, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 04, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
All category info are in The 2017 National Brewing Championships Medal Categories (shared about 1 month ago in this thread) :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 04, 2017, 09:47:32 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 04, 2017, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: SlugTrap on February 07, 2017, 04:25:46 PMHere, to be specific :)2017 National Brewing Championships - Medal Categories
Last year's Championship medal categories had:
- Categories with 1 or 2 entries
- A few beers won medals with no real competition
- Categories with 30+ entries
- Worthy beers may have been overlooked in mini-Best-in-Shows
This year, we wanted to spread out the entries as evenly as possible but still group styles together in a way that makes sense.
That's why the NHC is using these new categories for judging + awarding medals at Nationals:The 2017 National Brewing Championships Medal Categories (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YayAs1YIxi_Gf0ksFP1FhiEYlyZ7JemZvR7HC44FBzY/edit?usp=sharing)
FAQ
How did you come up with these categories?
We started with Appendix A (5) in the Guidelines, then tweaked by style family.
Why is [this style] lumped together with/broken out from [this other style]?
Numbers.
Less frequently-brewed styles - lagers, for example - were amalgamated with others like it.
Popular styles like IPAs were split up.
Does this hurt my chances?
Not if you make good beer! ;)
For someone who made a Munich Dunkel, there are more horses in your race than there would've been last year.
But for the average NHC member who made, say, a stout, your odds of winning have probably gone up.
Are you allowed to do this?
Definitely.
From the 2015 BJCP Beer Style Guidelines (http://www.bjcp.org/docs/2015_Guidelines_Beer.pdf), page iv:
"There is no requirement that competitions use style categories as award categories! Individual styles can be grouped in any fashion to create desired award categories in competition, for instance to balance out the number of entries in each award category."
If you have any more questions, feel free to contact me directly.
And good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 09:53:14 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 09:53:14 PM
Thanks Giacomo .
Fairy snuff
Some boys been brewing stout that must be scoring up near the 50 mark so
Fairy snuff
Some boys been brewing stout that must be scoring up near the 50 mark so
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 10:07:09 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 10:07:09 PM
Because you get a high score say 45, does not mean by default you win cat, common for a lower scored beer to win as judges determine best 3 or 4 beers(HM) per cat or also if there is a big field and 2 or even 3 sets of judges are involved in mini bos anything can happen.
50 is a fictional score and shouldn't exist on any well judged beer.
I remember Gordon Strong telling me he deliberated for 30 mins with 3 colleagues before awarding a beer 46 once.
If you read US forums their BJCP judge scores are 35-39 for exceptional beers, the meanies.
50 is a fictional score and shouldn't exist on any well judged beer.
I remember Gordon Strong telling me he deliberated for 30 mins with 3 colleagues before awarding a beer 46 once.
If you read US forums their BJCP judge scores are 35-39 for exceptional beers, the meanies.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Ciaran on March 04, 2017, 10:15:35 PM
Post by: Ciaran on March 04, 2017, 10:15:35 PM
Did imperial and export stouts get grouped together?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on March 04, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Post by: rebel on March 04, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Regarding scoring is over 45 for gold, over 40 for silver and over 35 for bronze.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
Look
I've no problem with a fella brewing a better beer than me . That's competition .
But don't lie to me and tell me my beer was poor ...
I've no problem with a fella brewing a better beer than me . That's competition .
But don't lie to me and tell me my beer was poor ...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: rebel on March 04, 2017, 10:33:59 PMNo official guidelines, comp organiser might have some min levels they want to apply but not usually published.
Regarding scoring is over 45 for gold, over 40 for silver and over 35 for bronze.
Interesting to see even with fewer cats not all cats were awarded full complement of medals so standard wasn't high enough to award gold or that there was a clear winner but no close second or third to award silver or bronze
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: rebel on March 04, 2017, 11:00:50 PM
Post by: rebel on March 04, 2017, 11:00:50 PM
it would be nice to know what the standard is.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
Post by: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
I didn't catch the category Irish and Scottish ales on the clip. Was it announced?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
It was can't remember the result of the top of my head, but it was a silver only.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:21:51 PM
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: CH on March 04, 2017, 10:56:31 PMNeeded a 30 for a medal, over that it was judges discretion what was awardedQuote from: rebel on March 04, 2017, 10:33:59 PMNo official guidelines, comp organiser might have some min levels they want to apply but not usually published.
Regarding scoring is over 45 for gold, over 40 for silver and over 35 for bronze.
Interesting to see even with fewer cats not all cats were awarded full complement of medals so standard wasn't high enough to award gold or that there was a clear winner but no close second or third to award silver or bronze
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Ciaran on March 04, 2017, 10:15:35 PMYes, same category
Did imperial and export stouts get grouped together?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
Post by: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
Where can I view the results please?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:26:37 PM
Post by: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:26:37 PM
Quote from: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:24:03 PMYou may or may not get your score in the next day or two. Score sheets will be on the site after they are all scanned.
Where can I view the results please?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:28:10 PM
Post by: martino on March 04, 2017, 11:28:10 PM
Very good, thanks!
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 04, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
Up to Slugtrap if he wants to tell us or not I guess. Very tricky though.
Say for example standard is 30-35 for a bronze and you score 31. Expectation is where's my bronze medal but judges may have been asked does the 31 merit a bronze and they say no that can be awkward.
I suppose next question is but they gave me a 31? Some judges come out of the traps very generous and moderate down scoring as they go along depending on standard.
Leaving Cert is marked the same way
It's not until they have the full flight in front of them that they can make a decision of final 1,2,3
The joys of judging and organising comps
Well done to all involved in organisation again this year.
Say for example standard is 30-35 for a bronze and you score 31. Expectation is where's my bronze medal but judges may have been asked does the 31 merit a bronze and they say no that can be awkward.
I suppose next question is but they gave me a 31? Some judges come out of the traps very generous and moderate down scoring as they go along depending on standard.
Leaving Cert is marked the same way
It's not until they have the full flight in front of them that they can make a decision of final 1,2,3
The joys of judging and organising comps
Well done to all involved in organisation again this year.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Ciaran on March 04, 2017, 11:38:47 PM
Post by: Ciaran on March 04, 2017, 11:38:47 PM
Quote from: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:23:12 PMQuote from: Ciaran on March 04, 2017, 10:15:35 PMYes, same category
Did imperial and export stouts get grouped together?
Thanks :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 08:32:26 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 08:32:26 AM
The scores are now on the competition site. Score sheets haven't been added yet. Log in to see your score. Fair pay to the lads for having it updated so quickly
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: helmet on March 05, 2017, 08:53:02 AM
Post by: helmet on March 05, 2017, 08:53:02 AM
One of mine has no score. It's one of the 5 we nominated for the club cup. Any ideas what's going on there?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 08:57:30 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 08:57:30 AM
Sometimes categories get missed on the night and are rectified after. I believe this happened last year. Sit tight, I reckon they will update it in due course.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: helmet on March 05, 2017, 08:59:24 AM
Post by: helmet on March 05, 2017, 08:59:24 AM
Grand job, thanks Mick.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 09:00:34 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: helmet on March 05, 2017, 08:59:24 AMNo problem. Was good to meet you last night
Grand job, thanks Mick.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
Awards on the competition website front page seems mostly grouped by BJCP style category instead of by competition category...
So we end up showing categories with no awards (or very little) and other were there's multiple golds, silvers and bronzes...
So we end up showing categories with no awards (or very little) and other were there's multiple golds, silvers and bronzes...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
I have a Belgian wit that scored 35 but in that group there's only two silvers what would have happened there?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 09:56:48 AM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 09:56:48 AM
One was beir d garde and the other Belgian pale!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:59:11 AM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:59:11 AM
It's in 2 different competition cateries, so the two BJCP sub-categories were competing for a different set of awards
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 10:04:26 AM
I'm really sure I understand? I presumed the cars had been joined? In which case where's the results for 24a?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 10:05:33 AM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 10:05:33 AM
Sorry! I'm not sure!!😬
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
Competition category 19 (European Farmhouse Ale) contained BJCP categories
24c (Biere de Garde) ans
25b (Saison)
Competition category 20 (Belgian Pale Ale) contained BJCP categories 24a (Witbier), 24b (Belgian Pale Ale), 25a (Belgian Blond Ale) and 25c (Belgian Golden Strong Ale
24c (Biere de Garde) ans
25b (Saison)
Competition category 20 (Belgian Pale Ale) contained BJCP categories 24a (Witbier), 24b (Belgian Pale Ale), 25a (Belgian Blond Ale) and 25c (Belgian Golden Strong Ale
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on March 05, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Post by: delzep on March 05, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:41:52 AMMakes sense now thanks
Competition category 19 (European Farmhouse Ale) contained BJCP categories
24c (Biere de Garde) ans
25b (Saison)
Competition category 20 (Belgian Pale Ale) contained BJCP categories 24a (Witbier), 24b (Belgian Pale Ale), 25a (Belgian Blond Ale) and 25c (Belgian Golden Strong Ale
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Awards in competition category 20 are:
- 1st: Peter Dudley - N.W.Ale (25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- 2nd: Andrew Behan - Comic(24B: Belgian Pale Ale)
- 3rd: Derek Foley - 666 (25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- HM: Mark Lucey - Divil(25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- 1st: Peter Dudley - N.W.Ale (25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- 2nd: Andrew Behan - Comic(24B: Belgian Pale Ale)
- 3rd: Derek Foley - 666 (25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- HM: Mark Lucey - Divil(25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:46:23 AM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:46:23 AM
It's confusing because we call "category" both competition and BJCP ones (and the sub-categories too, usually). Furthermore the website awards are grouped by BJCP category :D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 12:11:46 PM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 12:11:46 PM
Yes I was really confused by the way the categories were re-categoried but that's much clearer now! Thanks!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phynes1 on March 05, 2017, 04:28:31 PM
Post by: phynes1 on March 05, 2017, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 11:45:24 AM
Awards in competition category 20 are:
- 1st: Peter Dudley - N.W.Ale (25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- 2nd: Andrew Behan - Comic(24B: Belgian Pale Ale)
- 3rd: Derek Foley - 666 (25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
- HM: Mark Lucey - Divil(25C: Belgian Golden Strong Ale)
On the competition front page its saying im jointed 3rd in Strong Belgian Ale category. Is that correct, am I reading it right?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 04:34:52 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 04:34:52 PM
No: you got 3rd (I imagine) for saisons (Competition category 19) and not Belgian Strong Ales (comp.cat 20)
But because of the BJCP category grouping on the website, they are displayed together
But because of the BJCP category grouping on the website, they are displayed together
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phynes1 on March 05, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Post by: phynes1 on March 05, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Ok. But do I medel based on that?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 04:45:37 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 04:45:37 PM
Where's me medal?
I think it's better that we all wait for the full list of medal/cat winners to be published by Slugtrap?
That list makes no sense to me either but is generic to the competition system and takes no consideration of the groupings that were made.
I think it's better that we all wait for the full list of medal/cat winners to be published by Slugtrap?
That list makes no sense to me either but is generic to the competition system and takes no consideration of the groupings that were made.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phynes1 on March 05, 2017, 04:49:52 PM
Post by: phynes1 on March 05, 2017, 04:49:52 PM
Ha,I'm not looking for a medel. This is my first competition, I'm just wondering if there are medels for each category.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
Medals were awarded by competition category. If you show up as medaled on the website, then you did get a medal, just the category showed doesn't necessarily align :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
Well done Phynes
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 05:32:29 PM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 05:32:29 PM
Are the beers judged according to style and then judged according to the competition catergory then?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: Fatcontro11er on March 05, 2017, 05:32:29 PM
Are the beers judged according to style and then judged according to the competition catergory then?
Check post 405 on this thread or explains the grouping of the beers. Some beers were grouped together and we're moved from their bjcp category. For example Foreign Extra Stout was put up against the imperial stouts instead of being pitched against the oatmeal/tropical/sweet stout as it is grouped in bjcp.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 05:39:10 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 05:39:10 PM
All beers judged to BJCP style in groupings matching the Competition category.
Competition category is just the "awards" container, is not relevant for judging purposes
Competition category is just the "awards" container, is not relevant for judging purposes
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Jacoby on March 05, 2017, 06:10:01 PM
Post by: Dr Jacoby on March 05, 2017, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: CH on March 05, 2017, 04:45:37 PM
Where's me medal?
I think it's better that we all wait for the full list of medal/cat winners to be published by Slugtrap?
That list makes no sense to me either but is generic to the competition system and takes no consideration of the groupings that were made.
The important thing is I got gold ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Sure we've loads why did you want anymore
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
Bit of copy paste and I grouped back the entries by Competition category, which should give you a better view of which medals were awarded in each category.
Remember is not an official document, just my own hand-driven copy-paste from the Competition awards page :)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_3ZhvbObI0WvvrvI7sWtD8HGjXuEiHicXvvXQYPwkTw/edit?usp=sharing
Remember is not an official document, just my own hand-driven copy-paste from the Competition awards page :)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_3ZhvbObI0WvvrvI7sWtD8HGjXuEiHicXvvXQYPwkTw/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 05, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
Great Work Giacomo!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: danger_zone on March 05, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
Post by: danger_zone on March 05, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
Bit of copy paste and I grouped back the entries by Competition category, which should give you a better view of which medals were awarded in each category.
Remember is not an official document, just my own hand-driven copy-paste from the Competition awards page :)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_3ZhvbObI0WvvrvI7sWtD8HGjXuEiHicXvvXQYPwkTw/edit?usp=sharing
Category 18:strong american ale,2nd place, Wee Amateur Brewers???Freudian slip?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:28:53 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:28:53 PM
That's exactly what is on the competition page :D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 09:35:14 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 04, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
...
But don't lie to me and tell me my beer was poor ...
I understand the disappointment of seeing what you think is an excellent beer not doing well. I had a stout in that I was convinced would score well but alas it didn't.
What you have to remember is that no one is lying to you... The judges are analysing an anonymous beer and are giving it honest feedback.
My advice to you is to take the judges comments, adjust your recipe/process/ingredients and go at it again. This is the best path to improvement.
Good luck with v2.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Post by: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: mick02 on March 05, 2017, 09:35:14 PM
I understand the disappointment of seeing what you think is an excellent beer not doing well. I had a stout in that I was convinced would score well but alas it didn't.
What you have to remember is that no one is lying to you... The judges are analysing an anonymous beer and are giving it honest feedback.
My advice to you is to take the judges comments, adjust your recipe/process/ingredients and go at it again. This is the best path to improvement.
Good luck with v2.
I totally agree.
It's worth adding that judging is an intrinsically subjective process, to which we try to give an objective framework: your judges might have been incompetent, or suffering from palate fatigue, or in the middle of hay-fever... their feedback is (and remains) their most honest and open impression of the glass they had in front of them, and all of them tried to do their best to both objectively assess the samples and provide the most detailed and knowledgeable feedback to the entrant.
The NHC has been (and will be) working hard to improve the quality of the feedback and judging level (one of the reasons, I personally believe, why the scoresheet might have had an overall lower scoring this year ;)), but this remain nothing more than a feedback and a subjective assessment :)
It's just beer, in the end... ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AM
Post by: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AM
what happened with the pilsner/pale lager grouping?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 07:17:00 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 07:17:00 AM
Quote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AM
what happened with the pilsner/pale lager grouping?
That was judged in there first leg. No medals awarded.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Jonnycheech on March 06, 2017, 07:17:53 AM
Post by: Jonnycheech on March 06, 2017, 07:17:53 AM
No Bren = No medals! ^-^
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phynes1 on March 06, 2017, 07:50:57 AM
Post by: phynes1 on March 06, 2017, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: CH on March 05, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
Well done Phynes
Cheers CH!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: guest1906 on March 06, 2017, 08:44:10 AM
Post by: guest1906 on March 06, 2017, 08:44:10 AM
Mead and Ciders in one category!!!
Bollocks to that lads could you have expanded it a bit better or did you do it that way because of a low entry. As a first time entry I was expecting all the cider categories to have their individual awards. I'll know now for next year.
Bollocks to that lads could you have expanded it a bit better or did you do it that way because of a low entry. As a first time entry I was expecting all the cider categories to have their individual awards. I'll know now for next year.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: giacomo on March 06, 2017, 08:49:51 AM
Post by: giacomo on March 06, 2017, 08:49:51 AM
I put them together, since they nicely complemented in terms of medals (1x 1st, 2nd and 3rd); the category itself is not on the grouping published by the NHC.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Will_D on March 06, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
Post by: Will_D on March 06, 2017, 09:06:09 AM
How many Mead entries were there?
How many Cide entries?
How many Cide entries?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on March 06, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
Post by: Simon_ on March 06, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 07:17:00 AMQuote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AM
what happened with the pilsner/pale lager grouping?
That was judged in there first leg. No medals awarded.
But why have no scores have been returned for the category?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2a9d3ie.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: Simon_ on March 06, 2017, 09:26:59 AMQuote from: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 07:17:00 AMQuote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AM
what happened with the pilsner/pale lager grouping?
That was judged in there first leg. No medals awarded.
But why have no scores have been returned for the category?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2a9d3ie.jpg)
I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that the score sheets from the first leg of the lager category weren't available to the person entering in the data.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on March 06, 2017, 10:29:50 AM
Post by: mr hoppy on March 06, 2017, 10:29:50 AM
I got my score for a pale lager
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 03:18:48 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 03:18:48 PM
Just to let you all know that the scoresheets are available to download from the site (at least mine are anyway)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 06, 2017, 03:21:18 PM
Post by: phoenix on March 06, 2017, 03:21:18 PM
Any errors or omissions with the scoresheets drop me a PM
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dunkel on March 06, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
Post by: Dunkel on March 06, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
OK, I know I'm technologically backward, but can you put up a link please? :-[
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 06, 2017, 03:35:53 PM
Post by: phoenix on March 06, 2017, 03:35:53 PM
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/competition/
- Log in with your account details
- Click the 'My Account' icon on the top
leftright and choose 'entries' - Click the gavel icon beside your entry to download your scoresheet
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dunkel on March 06, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Post by: Dunkel on March 06, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Many thanks :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on March 06, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on March 06, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
Fair play to that lad with the long hair for uploading the sheets.
Excellent standard of feedback this time round.
Excellent standard of feedback this time round.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: danger_zone on March 06, 2017, 04:01:38 PM
Post by: danger_zone on March 06, 2017, 04:01:38 PM
Thanks for the feedback lads. I had some great feedback on all of my beers. I actually didn't realise there was a separate spiced,herb,vegetable category and had assumed the fruit&spiced was fruit and/or spiced beer so my xmas spiced stout didn't score as much as it would have.
The beer I didn't score so well on had valuable feedback that I'll definitely take on board,
And I think I'll frame the feedback for my medal winning beer. Superb feedback
The beer I didn't score so well on had valuable feedback that I'll definitely take on board,
And I think I'll frame the feedback for my medal winning beer. Superb feedback
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on March 06, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
Post by: delzep on March 06, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
Good feedback on my beers. Have to agree with most of what was written
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: lordstilton on March 06, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
Post by: lordstilton on March 06, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
Well done folks...great to have score sheet so soon after comp...thanks to all involved
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
One of my beers scored 27/50 total, with 31/50 and 25/50.
But the 25/50 is completely missing a score for mouthfeel (only a sum of the other 4 sections: 6+3+10+6)
So i missed out on 5 potential points and the possibility of a medal.
But the 25/50 is completely missing a score for mouthfeel (only a sum of the other 4 sections: 6+3+10+6)
So i missed out on 5 potential points and the possibility of a medal.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 06, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 06, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Drop slugtrap a pm and he can review your sheet
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Blueshed on March 06, 2017, 05:08:11 PM
Post by: Blueshed on March 06, 2017, 05:08:11 PM
Well done to all involved, very quick with score sheets.
Now if you were only in charge of running g the heath service, transport network.
Now if you were only in charge of running g the heath service, transport network.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: garciaBernal on March 06, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
Post by: garciaBernal on March 06, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
First time to help out and do some stewarding on the day and I have to say fair fucks to all who organise this and make it run like clockwork. Take a bow lads/ladies. Feedback seems to have improved this year on the scoresheets too so well done to the judges on that front.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on March 06, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Post by: beanstalk on March 06, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Was great reading the feedback on my beers but I've realised I entered two styles and they were swapped around. So I had a brown ale entered in under the sweet stout category and a milk stout in the english brown ale category. :(
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: beanstalk on March 06, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Was great reading the feedback on my beers but I've realised I entered two styles and they were swapped around. So I had a brown ale entered in under the sweet stout category and a milk stout in the english brown ale category. :(
We knew it! I judged that and we even commented that it would do well as an English Ale. Sorry Beanstalk that is the way it was labelled so we had to judge it as a Sweet Stout ... which it wasn't :(
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: beanstalk on March 06, 2017, 05:45:17 PM
Post by: beanstalk on March 06, 2017, 05:45:17 PM
Aye thats ok! I was certain I had them labelled right but I'll know to make absolutely certain next year.
Was good feedback all the same lads. One of my scores (the brown ale) got a flat 13 (not to style) and I was gutted cus I thought it was nice, but once I seen the sheet I got a bit of relief! the sweet stout got hammered cus it was all roasty in the brown ale category! ;D
Was good feedback all the same lads. One of my scores (the brown ale) got a flat 13 (not to style) and I was gutted cus I thought it was nice, but once I seen the sheet I got a bit of relief! the sweet stout got hammered cus it was all roasty in the brown ale category! ;D
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 05:52:57 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 05:52:57 PM
Yeah that Brown Ale was tasty alright. I was actually talking about your beer to someone at the second leg saying that it was a shame that it was mislabeled (as it is for anyone that had mislabeled bottles)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Crazyhorse on March 06, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
Post by: Crazyhorse on March 06, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
Well done to organisers for updating score sheets so quickly. Found the feedback to be very fair. What kind of a score would you want to be hitting to medal?
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 06, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 06, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
Read older posts in this thread, 30-35 points (ish)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on March 06, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on March 06, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
Wow; I guess I shouldn't skip a day on the forums.
Try to take things one by one...
If there was only one or two above 30, where those placed was at judges' discretion.
The only 30+ in a category would definitely get something.
There was lots of calibrating to be sure 1st-2nd-3rd was in the right order.
Lots of questions here - I agree that "categories" has too many meanings.
Best way to think of it is your beer is entered + judged as a *style*, but awarded in a category.
I spot-checked; yes, the beers really were that bad. :(
"Beat 10 [entries]" for gold is a BJCP rule of thumb that we tried to follow this year.
Historically, we've never gotten a lot of ciders or meads, so expect the same in future.
But it would've scored even better as Winter Seasonal (30C) - I sampled it; lovely Christmas pudding beer!
I'll follow up in the next few weeks with a "How to choose the BJCP style for your beer" post to (hopefully) clear up this kind of thing for everyone.
Thanks again to everyone for all the brewing + tasting!
Try to take things one by one...
Quote from: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:21:51 PM30 was the threshold to medal; medals were awarded in score order.
Needed a 30 for a medal, over that it was the judges' discretion what was awarded
If there was only one or two above 30, where those placed was at judges' discretion.
The only 30+ in a category would definitely get something.
Quote from: CH on March 04, 2017, 11:29:17 PMThose judges generally asked for the first beer back on the day.
Some judges come out of the traps very generous and moderate down scoring as they go along depending on standard.
There was lots of calibrating to be sure 1st-2nd-3rd was in the right order.
Quote from: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 05:39:10 PMThis.
All beers judged to BJCP style in groupings matching the Competition category.
Competition category is just the "awards" container, is not relevant for judging purposes
Lots of questions here - I agree that "categories" has too many meanings.
Best way to think of it is your beer is entered + judged as a *style*, but awarded in a category.
Quote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AMPoor quality across the board.
what happened with the pilsner/pale lager grouping?
I spot-checked; yes, the beers really were that bad. :(
Quote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 04:11:17 PMReplied in PM to you, LordEoin.
One of my beers scored 27/50 total, with 31/50 and 25/50.
But the 25/50 is completely missing a score for mouthfeel (only a sum of the other 4 sections: 6+3+10+6)
So i missed out on 5 potential points and the possibility of a medal.
Quote from: JamMan on March 06, 2017, 08:44:10 AMYes - we grouped mead + cider together for judging because neither had enough entries for meaningful competition on their own.
Mead and Ciders in one category!!!
...did you do it that way because of a low entry.
"Beat 10 [entries]" for gold is a BJCP rule of thumb that we tried to follow this year.
Historically, we've never gotten a lot of ciders or meads, so expect the same in future.
Quote from: danger_zone on March 06, 2017, 04:01:38 PMIt would not have been penalized for style deviations as 30A, as you say...
I actually didn't realise there was a separate spiced,herb,vegetable category and had assumed the fruit&spiced was fruit and/or spiced beer so my xmas spiced stout didn't score as much as it would have.
But it would've scored even better as Winter Seasonal (30C) - I sampled it; lovely Christmas pudding beer!
I'll follow up in the next few weeks with a "How to choose the BJCP style for your beer" post to (hopefully) clear up this kind of thing for everyone.
Thanks again to everyone for all the brewing + tasting!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BigDanny84 on March 06, 2017, 10:25:41 PM
Post by: BigDanny84 on March 06, 2017, 10:25:41 PM
I didn't enter this year but fair play to all involved, sounds like it all went very well.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on March 06, 2017, 11:45:56 PM
Post by: BrewDorg on March 06, 2017, 11:45:56 PM
Cheers to the judges, feedback was good and fair. Special s/o to mick02 for best handwriting I've had on a scoresheet to date 😂 Stewarding in the 1st leg opened my eyes to how these comps work and I'm rearing to go next year already.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 06, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
Quote from: BrewDorg on March 06, 2017, 11:45:56 PM
Cheers to the judges, feedback was good and fair. Special s/o to mick02 for best handwriting I've had on a scoresheet to date
Haha, thanks! I had some problems reading my feedback. Just imagine the handwriting of a doctor that was also a bjcp judge :o
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Jonnycheech on March 07, 2017, 06:12:51 AM
Post by: Jonnycheech on March 07, 2017, 06:12:51 AM
Quote from: SlugTrap on March 06, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
Wow; I guess I shouldn't skip a day on the forums.
Try to take things one by one...Quote from: beerfly on March 04, 2017, 11:21:51 PM30 was the threshold to medal; medals were awarded in score order.
Needed a 30 for a medal, over that it was the judges' discretion what was awarded
If there was only one or two above 30, where those placed was at judges' discretion.
The only 30+ in a category would definitely get something.Quote from: CH on March 04, 2017, 11:29:17 PMThose judges generally asked for the first beer back on the day.
Some judges come out of the traps very generous and moderate down scoring as they go along depending on standard.
There was lots of calibrating to be sure 1st-2nd-3rd was in the right order.Quote from: giacomo on March 05, 2017, 05:39:10 PMThis.
All beers judged to BJCP style in groupings matching the Competition category.
Competition category is just the "awards" container, is not relevant for judging purposes
Lots of questions here - I agree that "categories" has too many meanings.
Best way to think of it is your beer is entered + judged as a *style*, but awarded in a category.Quote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 07:11:45 AMPoor quality across the board.
what happened with the pilsner/pale lager grouping?
I spot-checked; yes, the beers really were that bad. :(Quote from: LordEoin on March 06, 2017, 04:11:17 PMReplied in PM to you, LordEoin.
One of my beers scored 27/50 total, with 31/50 and 25/50.
But the 25/50 is completely missing a score for mouthfeel (only a sum of the other 4 sections: 6+3+10+6)
So i missed out on 5 potential points and the possibility of a medal.Quote from: JamMan on March 06, 2017, 08:44:10 AMYes - we grouped mead + cider together for judging because neither had enough entries for meaningful competition on their own.
Mead and Ciders in one category!!!
...did you do it that way because of a low entry.
"Beat 10 [entries]" for gold is a BJCP rule of thumb that we tried to follow this year.
Historically, we've never gotten a lot of ciders or meads, so expect the same in future.Quote from: danger_zone on March 06, 2017, 04:01:38 PMIt would not have been penalized for style deviations as 30A, as you say...
I actually didn't realise there was a separate spiced,herb,vegetable category and had assumed the fruit&spiced was fruit and/or spiced beer so my xmas spiced stout didn't score as much as it would have.
But it would've scored even better as Winter Seasonal (30C) - I sampled it; lovely Christmas pudding beer!
I'll follow up in the next few weeks with a "How to choose the BJCP style for your beer" post to (hopefully) clear up this kind of thing for everyone.
Thanks again to everyone for all the brewing + tasting!
Fair play, you did a great job!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 07, 2017, 08:40:12 AM
Post by: Fatcontro11er on March 07, 2017, 08:40:12 AM
Just reading through the feedback and fair enough,a wee bit difficult to read some of it due to handwriting (probably rushed) but I find the remarks on these sheets the most valuable resource in brewing and ill certainly be putting them into practise in future brews.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 07, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
Post by: LordEoin on March 07, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
It might be a good idea to use mechanical pencils in the future. They're cheap as chips and don't get all blurry after a while.
I'm happy with the feedback overall, some solid advice. I won't be bottling off keg next year ;)
I'm happy with the feedback overall, some solid advice. I won't be bottling off keg next year ;)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: itsclinto on March 07, 2017, 09:46:12 AM
Post by: itsclinto on March 07, 2017, 09:46:12 AM
Just want to say thanks again to everyone who pitched in this year. Its incredible to get the scoresheets on a Monday afternoon with the all important feedback. Although i won no medals, i know where to improve my beers as they were my first time trying those categories. Thanks again
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on March 07, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
Post by: Simon_ on March 07, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
I'm happy to say with a big monitor, lots of zoom and a few reads I could eventually decipher every word of the 5x2 scoresheets this year. The majority of the sheets were in block capitals and I got it first time. The cursive ones were harder.
The feedback given was excellent
The feedback given was excellent
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Blueshed on March 07, 2017, 10:19:04 AM
Post by: Blueshed on March 07, 2017, 10:19:04 AM
For my 3 beer's I had 4 judges.
Very easy to read 3 of them and the 4th not to bad.👍.
Very easy to read 3 of them and the 4th not to bad.👍.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: tommy on March 07, 2017, 03:41:21 PM
Post by: tommy on March 07, 2017, 03:41:21 PM
Got some great feedback on my first recipe attempt at a wee heavy scoring 35, with over carbonation costing me some valuable points and with some minor tweeks hopefully next year it will medal!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 07, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 07, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
I'll be opening my last bottles of my competition beers this Friday at a tasting .
Curious to see what happened , as the beers described in my scoresheets don't seem to match at all with the beers I made .
Curious to see what happened , as the beers described in my scoresheets don't seem to match at all with the beers I made .
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on March 08, 2017, 01:05:23 PM
Post by: johnrm on March 08, 2017, 01:05:23 PM
Drink it too fast.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on March 08, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on March 08, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
Where's the unthank button?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on March 08, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
Post by: johnrm on March 08, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
I thought you were at work - no access to anything non-American!
I see a project on the horizon for RasPi and a couple of Solenoids and sensors...
I see a project on the horizon for RasPi and a couple of Solenoids and sensors...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Beerbuddha on March 09, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
Post by: Beerbuddha on March 09, 2017, 08:38:44 AM
I you don't ask you shall not recieve :-\
I don't suppose the dates of the competition can be changed .....as in held during summer months, as trying to brew for comp over xmass is disaster. No time.
But anyways worth asking.
I don't suppose the dates of the competition can be changed .....as in held during summer months, as trying to brew for comp over xmass is disaster. No time.
But anyways worth asking.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: GlasbrewInc on March 09, 2017, 08:51:22 AM
Post by: GlasbrewInc on March 09, 2017, 08:51:22 AM
Hi Beerbuddha,
That sentiment has come up a lot recently and I believe will be put forward at the AGM this year.
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That sentiment has come up a lot recently and I believe will be put forward at the AGM this year.
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Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: BrewDorg on March 09, 2017, 08:56:44 AM
Post by: BrewDorg on March 09, 2017, 08:56:44 AM
Great suggestion, would be in favour of that too 👍
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 09, 2017, 09:09:38 AM
Post by: Leann ull on March 09, 2017, 09:09:38 AM
Was mentioned before, people are on hols and hot spells in April and May June cause havoc as we learnt hard way in comp held in August in GCB 🤢
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phynes1 on March 09, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
Post by: phynes1 on March 09, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: CH on March 09, 2017, 09:09:38 AM
Was mentioned before, people are on hols and hot spells in April and May June cause havoc as we learnt hard way in comp held in August in GCB 🤢
I agree, its very hard for people that don't have limited controls on temperature.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Blueshed on March 09, 2017, 10:21:51 AM
Post by: Blueshed on March 09, 2017, 10:21:51 AM
Maybe move comp back a few weeks to April. Some people have time off over Xmas and most have very quite month of January.
What ever dates are picked will never suit everybody.
What ever dates are picked will never suit everybody.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on March 09, 2017, 10:25:48 AM
Post by: Simon_ on March 09, 2017, 10:25:48 AM
I think the current date is perfect with lots of time off over Xmas to brew for it.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: Blueshed on March 09, 2017, 10:21:51 AMI think Xmas is a good time to get brewing for the Nationals but I know others travel over the Xmas holidays and others have different priorities.
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What ever dates are picked will never suit everybody.
I will be away next Xmas so I won't be able to brew for the Nationals.
As Blueshed said, there is no way to please all the people all the time.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Ciaran on March 09, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
Post by: Ciaran on March 09, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
Depends what you're entering, I think my RIS was brewed back in July last year.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on March 09, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
Post by: DEMPSEY on March 09, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
Beers that need to be cold like Lagers and Pales can suffer at competition time if the weather temp is warm and (Rainy). I am happy to see it move too but this year we had great service from Sallins with good temperature control but not so with Alfie's. Alfie's were great hosts but the storage place for the beers was not very cold and would be warmer later in the year :-\
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 12:03:49 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: DEMPSEY on March 09, 2017, 11:58:50 AMWe just need to move the whole competition to Lock 13 next year!
Beers that need to be cold like Lagers and Pales can suffer at competition time if the weather temp is warm and (Rainy). I am happy to see it move too but this year we had great service from Sallins with good temperature control but not so with Alfie's. Alfie's were great hosts but the storage place for the beers was not very cold and would be warmer later in the year :-\
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on March 09, 2017, 12:05:35 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on March 09, 2017, 12:05:35 PM
I wouldn't have a problem with that. Ye had the best facilities to run a competition I have seen :)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on March 09, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
Post by: johnrm on March 09, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
I heard this mentioned, good idea.
Could do it over a weekend if accomodation was good in the area.
I'm all for it, but its a balls for travelling from afar.
All roads lead to Rome (Dublin), not Sallins!
Could do it over a weekend if accomodation was good in the area.
I'm all for it, but its a balls for travelling from afar.
All roads lead to Rome (Dublin), not Sallins!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 01:23:18 PM
I know one guy that came from Galway and the train stopped in Sallins so for him it was actually easier to get to than the Dublin leg.
It is a little out of the way but Naas is well serviced with regular buses and the train station in Sallins is only a few stops from Heuston.
I have to admit that Kellie and Barry and Ola (the owners) did a great job getting the place ready.
The facilities for storage were spot on and we had the run of the entire first floor.
It would be great to see one (or both) legs back there next year.
It is a little out of the way but Naas is well serviced with regular buses and the train station in Sallins is only a few stops from Heuston.
I have to admit that Kellie and Barry and Ola (the owners) did a great job getting the place ready.
The facilities for storage were spot on and we had the run of the entire first floor.
It would be great to see one (or both) legs back there next year.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 09, 2017, 02:32:43 PM
Post by: phoenix on March 09, 2017, 02:32:43 PM
Not sure if this is a windup or not, but the notion of spending a weekend in Sallins does not appeal. To say the least.
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: phoenix on March 09, 2017, 02:32:43 PMSure ya never took a trip down the canal or went into the county town of Naas. Plenty to do there on a weekend.
Not sure if this is a windup or not, but the notion of spending a weekend in Sallins does not appeal. To say the least.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on March 09, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Post by: molc on March 09, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: phoenix on March 09, 2017, 02:32:43 PMDon't worry, all the people coming up from the country say exactly the same about going to Dublin ;)
Not sure if this is a windup or not, but the notion of spending a weekend in Sallins does not appeal. To say the least.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on March 09, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on March 09, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
the majority of the population lives in Dublin.
It stands to reason that the main event is held in Dublin, not "near Dublin" not "just outside a few stops on the train from Dublin" - actually IN Dublin.
Sure, move the first leg around, that's a flamin' great idea, move it to Roscommon, Clare, the feckin' Blaskets, but the main event absolutely should be in Dublin.
It stands to reason that the main event is held in Dublin, not "near Dublin" not "just outside a few stops on the train from Dublin" - actually IN Dublin.
Sure, move the first leg around, that's a flamin' great idea, move it to Roscommon, Clare, the feckin' Blaskets, but the main event absolutely should be in Dublin.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 09, 2017, 03:39:45 PM
Post by: phoenix on March 09, 2017, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: molc on March 09, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Don't worry, all the people coming up from the country say exactly the same about going to Dublin ;)
Dont think very many people 'come up from the country' though do they?
Anyway, would like to see the non-Dublin leg moved to Cork or Galway next year to let the lads there share their part of the work in running the day.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on March 09, 2017, 03:44:32 PM
Post by: delzep on March 09, 2017, 03:44:32 PM
There was some chat about moving the competition and the main reason was to possibly allow for better and fairer judging simply due to the fact that later in the year usually means less sniffles and colds etc which could hamper a judges senses
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 03:47:26 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 09, 2017, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on March 09, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
the majority of the population lives in Dublin.
It stands to reason that the main event is held in Dublin, not "near Dublin" not "just outside a few stops on the train from Dublin" - actually IN Dublin.
Sure, move the first leg around, that's a flamin' great idea, move it to Roscommon, Clare, the feckin' Blaskets, but the main event absolutely should be in Dublin.
I don't agree with that logic at all.
Sure most of the worlds population lives in China so lets make sure that all World Cups are held in China :-\
But yeah maybe one of the legs in Cork or Galway next year would be a good idea.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 09, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 09, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on March 09, 2017, 03:37:11 PMCounty Dublin has a population of about a 1.3 million. Ireland has a population of about 4.5 million.
the majority of the population lives in Dublin.
It stands to reason that the main event is held in Dublin, not "near Dublin" not "just outside a few stops on the train from Dublin" - actually IN Dublin.
Sure, move the first leg around, that's a flamin' great idea, move it to Roscommon, Clare, the feckin' Blaskets, but the main event absolutely should be in Dublin.
The majority of the population lives in Not Dublin.
The majority of the civilized population lives in Cork, the real capital!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on March 09, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Post by: Simon_ on March 09, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on March 09, 2017, 04:27:17 PMPost reported. Think we need another thread locked
The majority of the civilized population lives in Cork, the real capital!
:P
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 09, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 09, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
We ran a finals in Cork and a leg in Galway already do you not remember
Amazing leg in Belfast as well.
Amazing leg in Belfast as well.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on March 09, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Post by: Pheeel on March 09, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
Well there were definitely judges from Galway at Alfies. I had the pleasure of judging with a lad who came from Edinburgh over. I'd happily do a weekend in Galway or Cork or Belfast... etc. etc.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 09, 2017, 05:21:13 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 09, 2017, 05:21:13 PM
It was great crack we had amazing hosts and got rat arsed
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on March 09, 2017, 07:25:03 PM
Post by: johnrm on March 09, 2017, 07:25:03 PM
It makes sense in one respect to bring the competition to the judges, but it shows commitment to see judges travel to the comp.
As a plus you get to see the country and meet some great people and have a bit of craic.
Everything else in this country is Dublin Centric, but the comps don't need to be.
The finals in Cork a few years ago worked out very well.
As a plus you get to see the country and meet some great people and have a bit of craic.
Everything else in this country is Dublin Centric, but the comps don't need to be.
The finals in Cork a few years ago worked out very well.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Will_D on March 09, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: Will_D on March 09, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
I can always get you the Rugby Club on a Saturday (depending on dates i.e. NOT a rugby weekend)
Two walk in fridges, large well lit function room, catering by arrangement.
Taxi from Malahide Railway/Bus stop and Swords Bus would be less than Connolly to Alfies.
Can also get a tame coach ( 20 to 55 seater) if needed
Just saying like!
Will
Two walk in fridges, large well lit function room, catering by arrangement.
Taxi from Malahide Railway/Bus stop and Swords Bus would be less than Connolly to Alfies.
Can also get a tame coach ( 20 to 55 seater) if needed
Just saying like!
Will
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: johnrm on March 10, 2017, 10:23:32 AM
Post by: johnrm on March 10, 2017, 10:23:32 AM
Does that coach pass Midleton?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on March 10, 2017, 10:24:01 AM
Post by: delzep on March 10, 2017, 10:24:01 AM
Would we all have to brew Heineken clones? ;D :P
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on March 10, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
Post by: irish_goat on March 10, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
Traditionally the first leg was always held outside of Dublin both to give local clubs the chance to host and so that people who can't make it to Dublin get a chance to join in. It's a nice way of seeing parts of the country and getting local club members more involved in the NHC too. It's something I'd not like to see go, to be honest.
There's no reason we have to have the 2nd leg in Dublin but it's a necessity unless somewhere can promise to get 50 bodies on the ground to judge and steward.
On that note, if any local club wants to host a leg of the nationals now is the time to start thinking about it. We need a pub willing to host us, they need to have fridge space/a cold room to keep entries cold, be able to do a decent lunch+pint deal to feed everyone on the day and preferably have some decent beer for sale too. Good transport links are pretty essential and you need to be able to help source judges and stewards from the local area too. Have had one club get in touch already so don't stall if your club is interested too. FIFA style brown envelopes are very much accepted.
There's no reason we have to have the 2nd leg in Dublin but it's a necessity unless somewhere can promise to get 50 bodies on the ground to judge and steward.
On that note, if any local club wants to host a leg of the nationals now is the time to start thinking about it. We need a pub willing to host us, they need to have fridge space/a cold room to keep entries cold, be able to do a decent lunch+pint deal to feed everyone on the day and preferably have some decent beer for sale too. Good transport links are pretty essential and you need to be able to help source judges and stewards from the local area too. Have had one club get in touch already so don't stall if your club is interested too. FIFA style brown envelopes are very much accepted.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 10, 2017, 11:12:51 AM
Post by: mick02 on March 10, 2017, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: irish_goat on March 10, 2017, 10:51:25 AM:D :D :D
FIFA style brown envelopes are very much accepted.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 10, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Post by: phoenix on March 10, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Thats settled then, first leg in Malahide, second leg in Dublin
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 10, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 10, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
but what about Clare and the feckin' Blaskets?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: delzep on March 10, 2017, 07:49:34 PM
Post by: delzep on March 10, 2017, 07:49:34 PM
Aren't the Blaskets in Kerry?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on March 10, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Post by: irish_goat on March 10, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
We draw the line at parts of Ireland with no civilisation. Cork in 2013 was obviously an exception. :P
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 10, 2017, 07:55:42 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 10, 2017, 07:55:42 PM
Soft crushed duckshell high velum envelope incoming from GCB with full planning permission
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 12, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 12, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 07, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
I'll be opening my last bottles of my competition beers this Friday at a tasting .
Curious to see what happened , as the beers described in my scoresheets don't seem to match at all with the beers I made .
Further to this , I opened the last beers , and we had a tasting around , 10 people with experience didn't find the off flavours that judges said were in the beers .
I'm confident that I won't be following any of the "advice " marked by the judges on my competition entries
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: redshift on March 12, 2017, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: redshift on March 12, 2017, 01:46:00 PM
Thanks to everyone involved in the competition, I can imagine it's a huge amount of work to organise, and I was very happy with my results and the feedback. Who should I contact regarding collection of medals?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on March 12, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on March 12, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
Me ;)
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mr hoppy on March 12, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
Post by: mr hoppy on March 12, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
I was wondering how many entries there were in the pale lager category. Can't tell from the Comp home page (as there were no medals.) Would anyone know?
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Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 12, 2017, 03:20:46 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 12, 2017, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 12, 2017, 01:33:36 PMQuote from: wallacebiy on March 07, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
I'll be opening my last bottles of my competition beers this Friday at a tasting .
Curious to see what happened , as the beers described in my scoresheets don't seem to match at all with the beers I made .
Further to this , I opened the last beers , and we had a tasting around , 10 people with experience didn't find the off flavours that judges said were in the beers .
I'm confident that I won't be following any of the "advice " marked by the judges on my competition entries
That's your perogative, the competition is run to the BJCP standard and it's those guidelines that your beer is judged against.
Probably a bit unfair to ask friends to pick out flaws in your beer.
The NHC beer judges have been trained to judge every style and been exposed to flavour tasting to know every flaw. I'm not a BJCP judge btw, but have done off flavour training and know the amount of work it takes to be BJCP accredited including a sod of an exam.
BJCP judges are far more experienced than some of the professional brewers in the industry as we know from the feedback on scoresheets by pros and also regrettably explains some of the mediocre beer coming from Irish craft breweries.
Also be conscious that if your beer was bottle conditioned something may have happened in the bottle. I know that happened to one of our local guys who had an amazing beer but off flavours presented themselves on the day.
What were the flaws highlighted?
If you beer scored more that 30 it needs tweaking, if it was 20-30 I'd be taking on the feedback.
Don't be disheartened there is also an element of luck in beer competitions but don't be dismissive these folks are only there to help us all brew better beer.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 12, 2017, 05:25:23 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 12, 2017, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: mr hoppy on March 12, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
I was wondering how many entries there were in the pale lager category. Can't tell from the Comp home page (as there were no medals.) Would anyone know?
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I think there were 17. Don't quote me on it but I'm almost 100% sure that's what I heard on the day.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 12, 2017, 10:01:56 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 12, 2017, 10:01:56 PM
I scored a 27 in the lagers, so I'm gonna claim the title of greatest lager brewer 2017, medal or not.
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Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 12, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 12, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
I think you'll find title stays with previous winner until it's transferred to a beer of a sufficiently high standard
I love the style as there is nowhere to hide and it punishes the slightest little error a brewer makes and multiplies it after time. Hopefully the standard will be solid in the Kildare comp, no fun for judges if standard is not drinkable.
I love the style as there is nowhere to hide and it punishes the slightest little error a brewer makes and multiplies it after time. Hopefully the standard will be solid in the Kildare comp, no fun for judges if standard is not drinkable.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: CH on March 12, 2017, 03:20:46 PMQuote from: wallacebiy on March 12, 2017, 01:33:36 PMQuote from: wallacebiy on March 07, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
I'll be opening my last bottles of my competition beers this Friday at a tasting .
Curious to see what happened , as the beers described in my scoresheets don't seem to match at all with the beers I made .
Further to this , I opened the last beers , and we had a tasting around , 10 people with experience didn't find the off flavours that judges said were in the beers .
I'm confident that I won't be following any of the "advice " marked by the judges on my competition entries
That's your perogative, the competition is run to the BJCP standard and it's those guidelines that your beer is judged against.
Probably a bit unfair to ask friends to pick out flaws in your beer.
The NHC beer judges have been trained to judge every style and been exposed to flavour tasting to know every flaw. I'm not a BJCP judge btw, but have done off flavour training and know the amount of work it takes to be BJCP accredited including a sod of an exam.
BJCP judges are far more experienced than some of the professional brewers in the industry as we know from the feedback on scoresheets by pros and also regrettably explains some of the mediocre beer coming from Irish craft breweries.
Also be conscious that if your beer was bottle conditioned something may have happened in the bottle. I know that happened to one of our local guys who had an amazing beer but off flavours presented themselves on the day.
What were the flaws highlighted?
If you beer scored more that 30 it needs tweaking, if it was 20-30 I'd be taking on the feedback.
Don't be disheartened there is also an element of luck in beer competitions but don't be dismissive these folks are only there to help us all brew better beer.
Lots of things could have happened
There's only one truth though
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on March 13, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
Post by: Pheeel on March 13, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Lots of things could have happened
There's only one truth though
There is only one truth and that's what they judged on the day!
Judging is subjective. There are things that you and your friends may not pick up. Butyric acid is one I almost never pick up but others get it strong. I honestly think it's easier for people to pick up that don't have kids!
Just out of interest what was the cat and what was the feedback?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 13, 2017, 12:05:15 PM
Post by: phoenix on March 13, 2017, 12:05:15 PM
There were 14 entries judged at the Pilsner + Pale Lager table.
Taste is subjective. You should probably read up on the judging process if youve missed that central point, you clearly dont understand it.
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Lots of things could have happened
There's only one truth though
Taste is subjective. You should probably read up on the judging process if youve missed that central point, you clearly dont understand it.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: mr hoppy on March 12, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
I was wondering how many entries there were in the pale lager category. Can't tell from the Comp home page (as there were no medals.) Would anyone know?
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Just spoke to one of the pale lager judges on the day. There were 14 entries in total in that category
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phoenix on March 13, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Post by: phoenix on March 13, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Thanks Mick, that'll be a help to those afflicted by temporary blindness between when I posted it and you did
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: phoenix on March 13, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Thanks Mick, that'll be a help to those afflicted by temporary blindness between when I posted it and you did
Didn't see that part of your message Phoenix. Will leave mine there as some members do suffer from that affliction (me included)!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: SlugTrap on March 13, 2017, 02:12:05 PM
Post by: SlugTrap on March 13, 2017, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Lots of things could have happened
There's only one truth though
If you have an issue with your scores, please PM me.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on March 13, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Post by: Dr Brown Ale on March 13, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
wallacebiy, there is no conspiracy, how could there be? The entries are totally anonymised, the only way a judge could go out of his way to mark a particular beer down would be to turn up at the sorting day and mark your bottle - really, why would someone do that? What would be the gain? Who would gain by judges purposely marking down beers? Do you think the whole category is flawed? Do you think if every beer is badly judged then still, the best beer comes out on top anyway? Do you think your beer in particular was targetted?
The judges are very straight and do judge each beer on it's merits, out of the bottle. They can't really do anything else.
And I'll also echo the above, the BJCP course is gruelling and the exam is poxy.
There's no way there are judges doing anything malicioius, and this year in partcular I think was the best yet.
The judges are very straight and do judge each beer on it's merits, out of the bottle. They can't really do anything else.
And I'll also echo the above, the BJCP course is gruelling and the exam is poxy.
There's no way there are judges doing anything malicioius, and this year in partcular I think was the best yet.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 04:40:05 PM
Post by: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on March 13, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
wallacebiy, there is no conspiracy, how could there be? The entries are totally anonymised, the only way a judge could go out of his way to mark a particular beer down would be to turn up at the sorting day and mark your bottle - really, why would someone do that? What would be the gain? Who would gain by judges purposely marking down beers? Do you think the whole category is flawed? Do you think if every beer is badly judged then still, the best beer comes out on top anyway? Do you think your beer in particular was targetted?
The judges are very straight and do judge each beer on it's merits, out of the bottle. They can't really do anything else.
And I'll also echo the above, the BJCP course is gruelling and the exam is poxy.
There's no way there are judges doing anything malicioius, and this year in partcular I think was the best yet.
?
Putting words in my mouth now too ..
As well as off flavours in my beer ...
What is Going on ...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 04:55:00 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Lots of things could have happened
There's only one truth though
I had a conversation today with a BJCP judge that I gave a bottle of my stout to. He commented on how tasty it was. I sent him my scoresheets and he didn't pick up some of what the judges commented on.
Now do I
- Cry fowl and insinuate my beer has been tampered with
- Come on the forum and complain that I didn't get a fair crack of the whip
- Holler about the judges LYING to me about my beer
- Brew that beer again, tweak it slightly and come back with a medal next year
It is very easy to sit at home and criticize but it's a lot harder to study for a BJCP certification, sit and pass the exam and volunteer your time and effort to judging a competition where you give your honest feedback on an anonymous beer.
You might consider keeping your fiver in your pocket if you can't handle a honest appraisal of your beer.
You aren't the only person out there that is disappointed about the result of their entry.
At the end of the day it was a beer competition. Put it behind you and move on.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LASERBOY147 on March 13, 2017, 05:01:15 PM
Post by: LASERBOY147 on March 13, 2017, 05:01:15 PM
Wot mick said!
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Pheeel on March 13, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
Post by: Pheeel on March 13, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
Quote from: wallacebiy on March 13, 2017, 04:40:05 PMQuote from: Beechlawn Brewing on March 13, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
wallacebiy, there is no conspiracy, how could there be? The entries are totally anonymised, the only way a judge could go out of his way to mark a particular beer down would be to turn up at the sorting day and mark your bottle - really, why would someone do that? What would be the gain? Who would gain by judges purposely marking down beers? Do you think the whole category is flawed? Do you think if every beer is badly judged then still, the best beer comes out on top anyway? Do you think your beer in particular was targetted?
The judges are very straight and do judge each beer on it's merits, out of the bottle. They can't really do anything else.
And I'll also echo the above, the BJCP course is gruelling and the exam is poxy.
There's no way there are judges doing anything malicioius, and this year in partcular I think was the best yet.
?
Putting words in my mouth now too ..
As well as off flavours in my beer ...
What is Going on ...
TBH we're not really sure what you're complaining about. Would help to have some context
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Qs on March 13, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
Post by: Qs on March 13, 2017, 05:33:31 PM
What exactly were you dinged down for?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: molc on March 13, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: molc on March 13, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
Just to note also, a good beer can score poorly if it's out of style. It's normally noted on the scoresheet though, as it's a heartbreak when it happens
Title: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 13, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 13, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
Telling us the score and what happened from feedback sheets will generate some sympathy towards your plight and you will get tips, we are all here to learn and help each other brew better beer.
I know you came close before and respected what judges scored before http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2015-national-homebrew-championship/msg113807/#msg113807
I know you came close before and respected what judges scored before http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2015-national-homebrew-championship/msg113807/#msg113807
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Simon_ on March 14, 2017, 02:10:52 PM
Post by: Simon_ on March 14, 2017, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: CH on March 13, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2015-national-homebrew-championship/msg113807/#msg113807
You used to get your scores posted out to you?? Lawdy daw. Was the competition breaking even in 2015
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: irish_goat on March 15, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
Post by: irish_goat on March 15, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: Simon_ on March 14, 2017, 02:10:52 PMQuote from: CH on March 13, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/competitions/2015-national-homebrew-championship/msg113807/#msg113807
You used to get your scores posted out to you?? Lawdy daw. Was the competition breaking even in 2015
There was a bit of a saving made on the postage when a load of the envelopes fell into my work's franking machine...
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: Leann ull on March 15, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Post by: Leann ull on March 15, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
And organising committee spent a lot of money out of their own pockets but that wasn't sustainable.
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: phynes1 on March 30, 2017, 01:48:23 PM
Post by: phynes1 on March 30, 2017, 01:48:23 PM
Sorry lads but I'm a bit behind the curve here, but is there/was there an an awards ceremony?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: mick02 on March 30, 2017, 02:02:01 PM
Post by: mick02 on March 30, 2017, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: phynes1 on March 30, 2017, 01:48:23 PMAwards were handed out in Alfie Byrnes the evening of the second leg.
Sorry lads but I'm a bit behind the curve here, but is there/was there an an awards ceremony?
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: LordEoin on March 30, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
Post by: LordEoin on March 30, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1PlJQZerVRYxE (https://www.periscope.tv/w/1PlJQZerVRYxE)
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: tommy on April 10, 2017, 02:10:41 PM
Post by: tommy on April 10, 2017, 02:10:41 PM
Who do I contact about an medal collection? ....... a bit late I know
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: DEMPSEY on April 10, 2017, 06:54:13 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on April 10, 2017, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: tommy on April 10, 2017, 02:10:41 PMme
Who do I contact about an medal collection? ....... a bit late I know
Title: Re: 2017 National Brewing Championships
Post by: tommy on April 10, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
Post by: tommy on April 10, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: DEMPSEY on April 10, 2017, 06:54:13 PMQuote from: tommy on April 10, 2017, 02:10:41 PMme
Who do I contact about an medal collection? ....... a bit late I know
PM'd you there Dempsey, Thanks